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0:21Kevin PollakMy next guest, I'm going to give you a little bit of a heads up in terms of who this next gentleman is and also admit that I am coming to this interview, I think, with the freshest eyes that he's probably faced in a while.
0:44Kevin PollakThat is to say, I was an instant fan when I found out about what this man has done, but I wanted to have him on so that I could ask the.
0:55Kevin PollakThe real straightforward, simple questions, which is one of the reasons I wanted to do this show, which is to not only meet people that I admired as well as have people on that I've worked with, but when I meet people and they know me from movies or what have you, they all want to know, really the hardships and how you got from there to here, and then they want to hear about your project.
1:19Kevin PollakSo I think that's where we're going to start today. And I'm going to now welcome the founder and CEO of Tesla Motors as well as SpaceX. I hope I pronounced those correctly.
1:32Elon MuskYes, absolutely.
1:33Kevin PollakAnd Elon Musk is also. Yeah, okay, good. So thank you very much. First of all, you're welcome for, for joining us here. And I also have to thank you profusely for not bolting out the door after watching the last four minutes of my show.
1:48Elon MuskIt was difficult.
1:49Kevin PollakIt must have been.
1:50Elon MuskYeah, yeah.
1:50Kevin PollakBecause it's very different world. And I'm sure that there was a moment, at least a moment, one in your mind, that said, oh, my God,
2:00Elon Muskwhat am I doing here?
2:01Kevin PollakWhat have I gotten myself into? Well, here's the thing. These, these interviews. Have you been on Charlie Rose yet?
2:09Elon MuskNo, but I will be, I think later this month or early next.
2:12Kevin PollakYeah, yeah.
2:12Elon MuskWell, watch the show.
2:14Kevin PollakYeah, yeah. As a viewer, you understand that one of the wonderful things about his show that I'm trying so desperately to emulate blatantly is actual conversations. Throughout my career, I've been fortunate enough to do almost every talk show that's existed for the last 20 years, starting with Johnny Carson and Larry King and all of them.
2:36Kevin PollakAnd they're all about little sound bites and they're all about little quick anecdotes, in my case, with punchlines and characters. Rarely is there an opportunity to have an actual conversation and to find out more details about what it is that drives you to do what you do and got you to the place that you're at today.
2:56Kevin PollakSo thank you very much for everything you're about to share. We've got twitter.com asking questions live. We've got folks actually very excited to ask questions. I'm going to start pretty much with, you know, reading a lot about you in preparation.
3:14Kevin PollakAll that stuff is, you know, Wikipedia and various sites to find out one's history. How old were you?
3:21Elon MuskIt's all hit or miss.
3:22Kevin PollakI know it's all hit or miss. I find it to be that way. How old were you, if I may? Let's just start here. When the first vision popped into your head about working and bringing an electric car to the consumer.
3:37Elon MuskWell, I've been interested in electric cars for a long time. Actually, I used to think about it quite a bit in college. So it's been probably 17, 18 years that I've been thinking about the area.
3:46Elon MuskIn fact, I used to talk to my dates in college about the importance of electric cars.
3:51Kevin PollakAnd how did that work out for you? Not well.
3:53Elon MuskIt's not a great date conversation. No, no. In fact, I ran into someone who I briefly dated in college and she brought this up, and she's a writer for Scientific American these days and come to do an interview with me and actually mentioned that it was a memorable date.
4:16Elon MuskNot necessarily in a good way. Right.
4:18Kevin PollakOne she would never forget.
4:20Elon MuskYeah, absolutely. But I'm kind of a science and engineering guy. So for me, it's been obvious for a while that the future we have to figure out a way to get off oil and that the solution is electric cars.
4:36Elon MuskThe advantage of an electric car is that you can generate that electricity by renewable means. And so if you consume the electricity, if you're running electric cars and then you're generating your power with solar, wind, geothermal, which is increasing dramatically, by the way.
4:53Kevin PollakIt sure is.
4:55Elon MuskAnd if you're doing that, then you have a sustainable solution for the future. And obviously, if you're burning oil, that's something that's going to end sooner or later. And so it's better to do it sooner and avoid the environmental damage than later and have the environmental damage plus a massive wealth transfer from the United States to other countries.
5:15Kevin PollakYeah, well, that's a big part of it too, is how do we take back control of our destiny, quite frankly. And so this idea came to you 17, 18 years ago.
5:25Kevin PollakI think it was around that time that for the most part, those who were starting to hear rumblings of an electric car, myself included, were thinking whoever puts out a gorgeous as well as functional electric car wins in terms of exciting first a few and then the masses eventually with as the prices become more affordable to all consumers.
5:55Kevin PollakInitially, what people are praising and also damning, you know, there's both sides of it. Initially you started with the Roadster, Right, The Tesla Roadster, which a huge success.
6:10Elon MuskIt has been very successful. Yeah.
6:11Kevin PollakHow. Just walk us through, if you wouldn't mind, the chronological pieces of business here, because this really is fascinating to a great many of us. From conception to rolling out that first model.
6:23Kevin PollakJust in terms of a brief history of the. I can't imagine the hardships that took place in trying to get this thing to come to fruition.
6:32Elon MuskYeah, it's certainly been technically quite difficult from a business standpoint. Quite difficult. And then it's been overlaid with a bit of a sort of soap opera from a personnel standpoint.
6:43Kevin PollakPlease feel free to share all of that, whatever you're comfortable sharing. We'd love to hear whatever you can legally share.
6:49Elon MuskYeah, absolutely. Well, I'll try to actually. I'll focus on the non personnel.
6:56Kevin PollakFair enough.
6:58Elon MuskBecause I think that's more pertinent for the future in terms of where do we come from, where are we headed? And that kind of thing. So in starting a car company, it's obviously a high capital endeavor and particularly when you're talking about something which is a brand new technology and no one had really gotten all the pieces to work together quite right.
7:19Elon MuskTo create a compelling product. As far as electric cars are concerned,
7:22Kevin Pollakthere's a couple of people who tried and companies that came and went well,
7:27Elon Muskand some of those companies are sort of still here today. Like General motors had the EV1, and actually if they'd continued and produced the EV2, EV3 and continued that development, there probably wouldn't have been a need for Tesla.
7:42Elon MuskBut they didn't, unfortunately. They took those cars away from people forcibly and crushed them. Literally crushed them. And if people have seen Chris Payne's movie who Killed the Electric Car?
7:56Elon MuskWhich I recommend, you can see some of that. It's amazing that the people who Jim gave those EV ones to held a candlelit vigil for their cars getting crushed.
8:07Elon MuskI mean, can you imagine anyone holding a can look visual for a GM car?
8:11Kevin PollakNo, I really can't.
8:12Elon MuskOr any product.
8:13Kevin PollakOr any product is the point.
8:16Elon MuskWhy would you discontinue a product line with that level of customer interest? That's pretty amazing.
8:23Kevin PollakYeah, it's pretty well documented in that film. Okay, so but I'll give you the
8:28Elon Muskchronology and the reasoning. Why did we start with the car that we started with? Because I do get asked the question, why are you making this expensive sports car?
8:40Elon MuskImplying that we somehow think there's a shortage of sports cars in the world. Or rich people really need a break or something like that. It's absurd if you think of it, but nonetheless, people get a little confused, like why can't you make it an affordable car?
8:53Kevin PollakI wanted to give you the opportunity to explain.
8:55Elon MuskYeah, absolutely. And there are two reasons. One. One is that when you have a brand new technology, it tends to be expensive. It's almost always expensive, in fact, because the first thing you're trying to do is to make it work.
9:08Elon MuskAnd if you're just trying to make it work, you don't have an opportunity to optimize the cost. And if you think about anything new, when cell phones first came out, they were very expensive.
9:21Elon MuskPersonal computers were very expensive. Even gasoline engine cars in the beginning were very, very expensive. Could only be afforded by a few people.
9:29Kevin PollakAbsolutely. Who doesn't remember the $1,400 VCR? Right.
9:35Elon MuskAbsolutely.
9:36Kevin PollakIt's part of our.
9:37Elon MuskIn fact, you can point at almost anything new innovation. It starts off expensive because the first thing you're trying to do is make it work.
9:44Kevin PollakCell phones the size of a shoebox, $1,800.
9:47Elon MuskI remember Wall street with the guy walking around with that shoebox phone, basically. So a new technology is expensive. And then the other factor is economies of scale. So in order to make something inexpensive, you have to make a lot of it.
10:05Elon MuskBut to put together a factory that can make hundreds of thousands of cars costs a billion dollars or more.
10:13Kevin PollakAnd who's going to take a chance?
10:15Elon MuskRight. And the thing is, it would still be silly to try to do that economies of scale thing on the first iteration of technology because it's still going to be expensive.
10:24Elon MuskAnd this is a problem that GM is starting to see with the bolt because they're having trouble bringing the cost of that car below $40,000. And that's problematic when you're talking about a car that is essentially intended to compete against gasoline cars that are in the 25 to $30,000 range.
10:42Elon MuskIt's very important that an electric car be of comparable price to other cars of its type. So the Tesla Roadster is actually about the same price as a Porsche.
10:54Kevin PollakIn many cases less.
10:55Elon MuskYeah. In fact, less than a Porsche Turbo. So anyway, so that's basically the reason it was the first generation of technology and we were necessarily at low volume because we didn't have the capital to go to high volume manufacturing.
11:10Kevin PollakYeah. And you weren't making an inexpensive sports car. You were making a brand new, state of the art sports car. That was some of the negativity that I didn't Understand, because it didn't seem to come from naive people.
11:24Kevin PollakIt seemed to come from people who seemed very scholar in their particular areas of expertise, who completely missed the obvious justification in terms of what kind of vehicle you were actually making from the ground up.
11:40Kevin PollakAnd it being the first of its kind, I'm astounded by.
11:45Elon MuskWell, a common misperception is that because for the roadster, we worked with Lotus and we did initially intend to use a modified Lotus Elise chassis for our car, people think, oh, it's just a modified Lotus.
12:00Elon MuskBut actually we had to redesign almost every part of the car. And our initial thought of, well, we can just use a Lotus Elise chassis turned out not to be true because the weight distribution is all different, the load points are all different.
12:11Elon MuskOur car ended up being 30% heavier. We had to redesign almost everything. In fact, there's only 7% parts commonality between our car and Elise.
12:18Kevin Pollak7%.
12:19Elon Musk7%, in fact.
12:20Kevin PollakAnd those are the letters. First of all, there's five letters in Lotus, so that's a bit of the 7% right there.
12:26Elon MuskWell, there's no Lotus actually. There's nothing any Lotus logos on the car. Of course not, but nonetheless it is. So 7% parts commonality is actually that, that means when somebody like J.M.
12:40Elon Muskford announces an all new car, that all new car has more than 7% commonality with prior cars.
12:45Kevin PollakExcellent point.
12:46Elon MuskSo in other words, this is a newer new car than most new cars. Almost all new cars. And yeah, so it was tricky to bring it in for the price that we did bring it in.
13:00Elon MuskIn fact, there was some pretty big mistakes made initially on, on the estimates of costs, and that forced us to raise the price later in order not to be shipping product at a loss.
13:09Kevin PollakWhat's the time frame from the first sort of breaking ground on the space where you're going to manufacture this car?
13:21Elon MuskObviously a prototype to be the sedan or the roads is in production.
13:26Kevin PollakRight.
13:27Elon MuskHow long did it take?
13:28Kevin PollakYeah, but I mean, they're on the road now.
13:30Elon MuskYes, yes. In fact, we've delivered over 300 cars, approaching 400 cars.
13:36Kevin PollakAnd when was the first one delivered?
13:39Elon MuskWell, the first production car was delivered in February of last year. That was my car. But it was. I mean, the initial production rate was about one every three to four weeks.
13:50Elon MuskWow. And then it's got up to two every three to four weeks before. And then, and now we're at the point where we're about 20 to 25 per week.
13:59Kevin PollakOkay.
14:00Elon MuskWow.
14:00Kevin PollakAnd now at what point during the roadster building process does The S model begin its drawing boards almost immediately.
14:12Elon MuskWell, we've been working on the Model S for about two years if you take this sort of early conceptual stuff into account.
14:20Kevin PollakSo you really obviously have to focus everything on the roadster first, get it up and running and then. But in the back of your mind, the master plan is the Model S.
14:30Elon MuskYeah, the basic plan of action, the master plan was and is to produce an expensive car in low volume, then a lower cost car in kind of medium cost car in medium volume and then a low cost car in high volume.
14:49Elon MuskAnd that's the, the plan. That was my plan from the beginning and that remains the plan today. And we've been able to accelerate the low cost car a little bit by working with Daimler, the maker of Mercedes and Smart, to create an electric smart car.
15:06Kevin PollakOh really? Yeah, that's the third phase after the
15:10Elon MuskModel X. I think we'll probably still do a third generation platform of our own, but as a means of accelerating low cost vehicle access, we're working with companies like Daimler to get there sooner.
15:25Elon MuskSo my understanding is Daimler is planning to have the beginning of that thousand car test fleet on the roads towards the end of this year.
15:33Kevin PollakSo you're already focusing on working with an existing manufacturer in terms of bringing the electric car to a larger consumer base.
15:44Elon MuskYeah, really. The overarching point of Tesla is to accelerate the electric car revolution. And that's going to be a combination of cars we produce and cars that we help other companies produce.
15:57Elon MuskIn fact, we've been trying to sell our technology to Detroit and to other car companies in other parts of the world for a couple years now. And it's ironic that the really the first company to do that is not an American company, but it's a German company, Daimler.
16:15Elon MuskIn fact, Daimler was the one that invented the internal combustion engine car. So you know, they're the oldest car company in the world and they're actually
16:25Kevin Pollakbeing here they are jumping in with
16:27Elon Muskthe electric car full force.
16:29Kevin PollakAs we move into your describing the Model S and its conception, we have some photos that we can throw up and let people look at while you're talking about it.
16:41Kevin PollakBecause I got to be honest, when I saw the roadster, I was wildly impressed, but I was waiting. I was waiting for a non sports car, more of a sedan.
16:55Elon MuskRight.
16:55Kevin PollakWhich is what.
16:56Elon MuskAnd most people weren't.
16:57Kevin PollakYeah. And I do feel like the larger audience is already chomping at the bit. And when I saw this car, I flipped out. I just could not believe something like this had been achieved when I wasn't looking.
17:13Kevin PollakBecause you did an awfully good job keeping it under wraps all these months, if not how the first prototype was completed.
17:22Elon MuskYeah, well, the first prototype was just completed last month when we. And that's when we did the unveiling of the Model S, the first drivable prototype. We've been working on the Model S in earnest for about a little over a year.
17:35Kevin PollakA little over a year, yeah. So you're saying only a week or so before you unveiled it on March 26th. Was it March 26th? Yeah.
17:41Elon MuskMarch 26th.
17:42Kevin PollakYeah. Only a week before was it actually fully functioning and ready to be driven?
17:46Elon MuskYes.
17:47Kevin PollakThat's fantastic.
17:48Elon MuskYes.
17:49Kevin PollakBecause that sort of thing happens in my business. Yeah. Not fantastic for you. I can't imagine. I don't understand how you have any hair left after that sort of nail biter than in my business.
18:00Kevin PollakThat sort of thing happens all the time. People rushing to get their film ready for the Sundance Film Festival. I've seen big studio films that are still polishing and doing last minute special effects adjustments way after they've announced their release date and rushing it into theaters and oh my goodness, I can't even imagine the sort of pressure involved.
18:17Kevin PollakSo we've been looking at some pictures. Yeah, wonderful. We're still looking at them. Great. Because this car is so gorgeous. Okay, I'm going to. I'm going to get a little selfish here and also lean this towards people like myself who want to.
18:38Kevin PollakWho have the next series of questions which are when will this car be available to me and what is the process for me to sign up and get one now?
18:49Elon MuskWell, the car will be available in two years, which is. That's when we'll be finished with all the crash testing and all the regulatory stuff and have built out the factory.
18:59Elon MuskBecause this is a true mass production car. In fact, the Model S will be the first mass production electric vehicle or true car, that highway capable car.
19:08Kevin PollakWhat numbers of.
19:09Elon MuskNot a golf cart type of thing.
19:10Kevin PollakWhat numbers of mass production are we talking about?
19:12Elon MuskWe're talking about 20,000 a year.
19:14Kevin PollakSo when you unveil. You want to have 20,000 ready?
19:17Elon MuskWell, we'll still be over a year.
19:20Kevin PollakRoll them out.
19:22Elon MuskIt'll take a little bit of time to spool up the production line. But these will be mass manufactured cars where robots are doing things as opposed to hand built cars.
19:30Elon MuskBecause the roadster is really a hand built car. Right.
19:35Kevin PollakYou got robots building the model.
19:37Elon MuskA lot of it, yeah.
19:37Kevin PollakNow I've heard everything from the third quarter of 2010 to the beginning of 2012. What's realistic for the Model S?
19:44Elon MuskWell, our aspiration is to have the first production cars available in the third quarter of above 2011. So just over two years from now. And I think it's achievable.
19:55Elon MuskAnd I think there's much less technology risk and uncertainty than there was with the Roadster. So I do feel reasonably confident that we can meet that date. Of course, it is dependent on when the Department of Energy disperses funds for the loan program that they have.
20:15Elon MuskThere's something called the Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Program, which was actually put into effect by Congress last year. And then the DOE is just on the verge of awarding those loan programs.
20:30Elon MuskIt's intended to provide a lower cost of capital to companies that are developing energy efficient cars.
20:38Kevin PollakWell, it couldn't make more sense to those of us who have been waiting for this to happen. So we're glad that they're going to pitch in. There's also going to be a $7,500 rebate.
20:47Elon MuskThere is. There is already a $7,500 rebate. That's as of January 1st. So it's a tax rebate. Applies to anyone, regardless of your tax situation.
20:58Kevin PollakAnd the first base price is $49,900 and it goes up from there depending on the size of the battery.
21:03Elon MuskYes. The base price of the Model S is 49,900, and that's for the basic version, which has 160 mile range. But you can get a battery pack that goes up to 300 miles in range.
21:15Kevin PollakRight.
21:16Elon MuskAnd in fact, one of the things we think we'll probably do Is have the 300 mile packs available for rent. So if you're just using your car.
21:25Kevin PollakPlease do that.
21:25Elon MuskYeah, yeah, absolutely.
21:26Kevin PollakPlease do that. Because this car is unbelievably exciting. And I think the instinct is much like other forms of technology, there's going to be the I want the everything package and then there's going to be a lot of people who can't really afford the everything package.
21:45Kevin PollakThey can barely get into the car as it is. But they're dying to get into this car. Sure. So that sure would be fantastic if they could rent that larger battery if and when they ever needed it.
21:54Kevin PollakBecause for a lot of people, 160 miles around town as their everyday car is fantastic.
21:59Elon MuskRight. Average person drives 30 miles a day. So 160 miles is five times what the average person drives in a day.
22:07Kevin PollakAre all three batteries. This quick charge of 45 minutes yeah,
22:13Elon Muskthe car will have a standard 45 minute. All cars will come with the ability to charge in 45 minutes. Now I should point out that the 45 minutes does require an off board charger.
22:23Elon MuskSo you won't be able to use the onboard charger to do the 45 minute charge. The onboard charger you have to pull
22:27Kevin Pollakover and take the battery out.
22:31Elon MuskNo, you just need, you need to just go to a charging station that's kind of an industrial strength charging station because that's a lot of power. More than most houses are capable of delivering.
22:40Elon MuskBut the onboard charger that's built into the car will be capable of recharging the car in about three to four hours.
22:47Kevin PollakSo overnight you plug the car in.
22:49Elon MuskYeah, no problem.
22:50Kevin PollakAnd is it going to be like my computer where I can overcharge it and then it's bad for the computer. I don't want to leave it plugged in overnight.
22:56Elon MuskThere's a lot of intelligence in the battery pack. It won't allow itself to be charged incorrectly.
23:01Kevin PollakExcellent. Will I get better servers than AT&T than I do with my iPhone? Is the real question here? The computer on board? Yeah, but before I get to that, there's one thing that Wired magazine wrote a very, I thought, supportive article about the Model S.
23:19Kevin PollakAnd then there's all sorts of debates going on in the comment section of that article.
23:27Elon MuskRight.
23:27Kevin PollakAnd a lot of naysayers, as always, they line up like idiots.
23:32Elon MuskWe seem to. Tesla seems to generate a bipolar response.
23:35Kevin PollakWell, yeah, you know what, that's fantastic though. I mean, if anything it should challenges you to rise above all questions and inquiries and be able to answer them all and be able to attribute the genius and expertise of your design people and yourself.
23:53Kevin PollakBecause I do understand also that you've as an engineer yourself have really been at the forefront of the design.
24:00Elon MuskYeah, I started to think of the right title, but a good description would be Product Architect. So at Tesla we do have a chief Technology Officer at JB Straubel who's been with the company from the beginning and really is the person most responsible for leading the technology of Tesla.
24:17Elon MuskHe's a great guy and also like to credit France von Holzhausen in terms of the design of the Model S. And the way I look at it is I sort of work with them and the other members of the Tesla team to create a great product because I think great companies are building great products.
24:34Kevin PollakYeah, well, yes. Hell yes. Forgive me for reading this, but I don't want to miss this and I Want to. I was hoping I could put this to you to address the why is the Model S still so expensive?
24:46Kevin PollakQuestion. A wonderful article in Wired magazine written by Chuck Squatriglia once. I'm sure I'm destroying his name. I'm sorry. Very supportive of design. Not only the car, but the master plan in general of Tesla Motors to roll out the so called more exp of models first with the $109,000 Roadster and then now the 49,000 up to 54,000.
25:11Kevin PollakI think it is Model S. Tons of comments posted. One reader, obviously an EV driver hit on some wonderful points that I wanted your feedback on. That really sort of drove a point home that I don't think a lot of people are considering and that is wildly ignored.
25:30Kevin PollakI think when you know these people are considering the sticker price only as opposed to the fuel and maintenance. And when you own a car, you pay for more than just the initial purchase price.
25:42Kevin PollakYou also pay for fuel and maintenance. And it is these two very important unavoidable truths that EV costs. A miniscule of what the ICE or internal combustion engine costs.
25:54Kevin PollakThe EV motor has only one moving part on the roadster and presumably the Model S the only regular.
26:01Elon MuskThis is true. Well, technically there are some gears, but yeah, right.
26:06Kevin PollakRegular maintenance items really are brakes and tires.
26:09Elon MuskNot even the brakes actually, because regenerative braking means that your brake pads see very little wear.
26:13Kevin PollakI love this. The EVs actual fuel cost, they've narrowed it down to 2 to 3 cents per mile. Sounds familiar.
26:21Elon MuskThat's about right.
26:21Kevin PollakSo if you keep your Model S for the average of 10 year 100,000 mile lifespan, you replace your tires, brakes, which are not the case for say $1,000 each time.
26:31Kevin PollakAgain, these numbers can vary. And pay up $3,000 for the fuel. Over this hundred thousand miles, your 49,900 purchase price only increases to around 54,900. The IRS says driving a ICE internal combustion engine car costs 50.5 cents per mile inclusive of fuel maintenance.
26:57Kevin PollakAt that rate over the lifespan, the same lifespan, Ford Taurus with a sticker price of $25,000 increases over that lifespan to $7500-075500-75500. Theoretically. Therefore, the ICE car with a sticker price of zero would still cost more than the Model S after those hundred thousand miles.
27:20Kevin PollakI don't think people have done that math in terms of the initial investment. Oh my God, it's so much more than a Taurus.
27:26Elon MuskYeah, well, actually, I think perhaps the best way to Address that question is not even to have people do the math because we will have our car for lease.
27:36Elon MuskAnd so if you take our lease cost and the lease cost of a gasoline car and you add in the cost of ridiculous, the cost of fuel and maintenance on the gasoline car and the cost of electricity and maintenance on the electric car, then you have the savings from the beginning.
27:51Elon MuskThere's no need to add this up over five, seven years or whatever. You can simply say how much is transportation costing me every month? And you will have the savings from day one.
28:00Kevin PollakBut I will shove people out of the way who want a lease so that I can get one so that I can buy one.
28:05Elon MuskIf you do that, in fact, we're going to put a calculator on our website, hopefully in the next week or two so you can plug in and you can say, okay, what do you think the price of gasoline is going to be?
28:14Elon MuskAnd you can put in the price of gasoline and what's your electricity cost and the cost of electricity and then we'll say what's the probable operating cost per month?
28:24Elon MuskAnd then how does that compare and compare that to cars of different types?
28:30Kevin PollakIt becomes pretty clear, doesn't it?
28:32Elon MuskYeah. And then it's pretty obvious that if you assume that gasoline is going to get back up above $4 a gallon, which I think that's a certainty, in fact, I think it's going to go way beyond that.
28:43Elon MuskAnd then you put in the cost of electricity, particularly if you have time of use meters like in places like California where you can get 7 cents a kilowatt hour, then our car is comparable to a Ford Taurus.
28:55Kevin PollakWell, let's talk about what you need in your home to keep this car charged on a regular basis. What sort of setup do you need electrically?
29:06Elon MuskYou really don't need much of anything. You can, if you are only driving say 30 miles a day or something like that, you can actually plug it, charge it out of a regular 110 volt socket, typically plug it in like
29:19Kevin Pollakit's a hair dryer for overnight. In terms of your range, your range is going to lower though.
29:25Elon MuskWell, 110 volt supply will generate, will recharge about five or six miles an hour. So if you're say driving 30 miles a day and you charge it for just for six hours, you've topped it up essentially.
29:41Elon MuskSo that's certainly possible.
29:42Kevin PollakYou want unplug the toaster and plug in the car.
29:46Elon MuskSo it is worthwhile. And we actually have many roadster customers that operate the car on that basis.
29:51Kevin PollakThat's fantastic.
29:52Elon MuskYeah. And that comes along with the base price. And then if you want to do a faster charge, the next step up would be a 240 volt 40amp circuit which is comparable to a dryer.
30:05Elon MuskSo it's like a dryer plug.
30:07Kevin PollakWow.
30:07Elon MuskSo it doesn't cost very. It costs a couple hundred bucks to install a dryer outlet in your garage. And again, that just operates off the onboard charge from the car.
30:14Elon MuskSo you just plug it in like it's a dryer or a range or something like that. And that'll charge a lot faster. That'll charge the car in seven or eight hours.
30:24Kevin PollakFull charge.
30:24Elon MuskFull charge, yeah.
30:25Kevin PollakAnd the quick charge will be only available at these charging stations.
30:30Elon MuskYeah, the quick charge. We're talking about something which is. It's a lot of power. I mean, 45 minutes. You're talking about something which is on the order of a 60 kilowatt power source.
30:46Elon MuskThere's very few houses that you break the massive circuit on.
30:50Kevin PollakMost it's a bad idea. Yeah.
30:52Elon MuskAnd it's overkill and unnecessary for a house. But I do think a lot of businesses may choose to install that for their employees and that where this will really come in handy is when you're going between cities.
31:03Elon MuskSo there's three ways that we've addressed the range issue on the model S. One is by offering a range up to 300 miles. And like I said, we're also hoping to be able to say, allow people to buy the 160 mile range car and then rent the 300 mile range pack as needed.
31:19Kevin PollakYou'll give them a map of where these charging stations are along the route. So if they want to drive across country, you'll let them know where. Yeah.
31:26Elon MuskIn fact, you mentioned that the touchscreen. The car will be 3G connected to 3G wireless connected all the time. So you won't need a map. You can just ask the car, take me to the next charge.
31:38Elon MuskNext charging station and it'll give you a selection of locations.
31:43Kevin PollakIf you could, if there's any way you could put in a phrasing that just at some point the car says, stop busting my balls. I just want to put that out there.
31:50Kevin PollakLet's go to.
31:50Elon MuskActually, we are going to off. We are going to offer, you know what, how can you show a receipt?
31:55Kevin PollakOkay.
31:56Elon MuskWe are going to offer themes so you can actually theme your. Because it's all just a big screen. You have a 17 inch center console screen and you've got a smaller sort of Display screen on the front, you can theme your car.
32:10Elon MuskSo if you just like you sort of theme your desktop or your cell
32:13Kevin Pollakphone, give it a little cynicism, give it a little.
32:16Elon MuskYeah, absolutely playful. And there'll be people that probably want to write applications that do various things. And your center console is a full fledged computer running Linux. So it's something where it'll have a browser if you want to browse and search the web, do your email while not driving, while not driving, while charging.
32:40Kevin PollakIf you want to go sit down,
32:41Elon Muskit could do things like read out your email for you.
32:44Kevin PollakYeah, no. Did you show any pictures of this monitor when we ran through.
32:49Elon MuskOkay.
32:49Kevin PollakIf you want to throw them back up now that we're talking about it, if you have that one isolated. Because it is pretty astounding, that whole part of it.
32:55Kevin PollakAnd people go to the website Tesla Motors, they can do a little more research in terms of what you're offering in that monitor because it is wildly extensive. If there's anything else in it that you do want to address.
33:10Elon MuskWell, we are taking advantage of economies of scale from the computer business, which is a lot bigger than the car business in unit volume. You've got hundreds of millions of computers shipping every year, whereas you've got a much smaller number of cars shipping every year now less than ever, Right?
33:28Elon MuskAbsolutely. So by putting in 17 inch monitors in the computer business these days are dirt cheap. And so it's really not that expensive for us to do this.
33:40Kevin PollakRight. Well, what it is is cutting edge and that's one of the things that makes the car so unbelievably desirable. What about, they're asking here twitter.com for the next generation of road vehicles, what would they be when the electric car have become obsolete?
34:03Kevin PollakWow. People are going on to the next generation beyond the electric car. I'm not sure that's for this discussion.
34:10Elon MuskElectric car is a long term sol.
34:12Kevin PollakYeah. You know there's, as you were pointing out in terms of how to power the electricity, that's where we can diversify. Be it water, be it solar power, be it wind.
34:23Kevin PollakYeah, I'm not sure wind is the correct word.
34:26Elon MuskThere may be. I mean the only thing I could see as being, as potentially being a change is, and this is speculative, is a switch from batteries to high energy density capacitors.
34:38Elon MuskIn fact, I originally came out to California to do a PhD at Stanford in the material science and physics of high energy density capacitors for use in electric cars.
34:48Elon MuskThat's what initially brought me to Silicon Valley. And Then ended up putting that on hold. Started a couple Internet companies, but it was. So I think that's a possibility.
34:55Elon MuskI'm not sure whether success is one of the possible outcomes, but it's a possibility.
35:01Kevin PollakAny chance for a flux capacitor? Well, Marty, where's the flux capacitor? Sorry, I did that on a dare.
35:12Elon MuskI suppose you could call it a flux capacitor. Flux just means sort of flow, right. Of anything. You know, you flex it, energy, flux, anything.
35:19Kevin PollakSo ask Elon how we can help Tesla Motors get the federal loan. And also where the factory. The factory here in Los Angeles. I don't know if you want to get specifics about.
35:32Kevin PollakWhere in Los Angeles is it that the SpaceX, where you have the.
35:36Elon MuskYeah, the Tesla design studio is inside the SpaceX rocket factory and the design center is in Southern California. Because the world's best automotive design talent is actually right here in Southern California.
35:46Kevin PollakYou're welcome.
35:48Elon MuskIt's true. And Franz von Holzhausen, our designer, head of design, was based here when he worked at Mazda before joining us. And it's just a really big temple, so.
36:02Elon MuskAnd rather than go rent a whole separate space, it was just easier to allocate some space in the SpaceX rocket factory for the Tesla design. Also made it also very convenient for me to work with Franz, who's a great guy to work with.
36:16Elon MuskWe're very much on the same wavelength. It's great, actually. So as far as helping on the DOE front, I actually think we're okay. Definitely. Any voice of support is great.
36:29Elon MuskYou know, mentioning it to your congressman or senator, that does help, right? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
36:36Kevin PollakIf they feel a groundswell, if they feel that the public. There's a public demand. Yeah.
36:40Elon MuskI think it's helpful to let your congressman and senator know that you think companies like Tesla should get a portion of the ATVM program. And I should mention what we're asking for is really a tiny.
36:54Elon MuskWe're only asking for about 1 1/2% of the ATVM program. The vast majority of it will go to GM, Ford, Chrysler, they'll get 98%.
37:03Kevin PollakOne and a half percent.
37:04Elon MuskYou're asking. Yeah, we're asking for 1.5%. I think it's not a big ask.
37:10Kevin PollakCan we get Barack on the phone, people? Tyler Krug, what are you laughing about? Yeah, it doesn't seem unreasonable at all to be asking for the 1.5%.
37:25Elon MuskI think we can probably put it to better use than gm.
37:28Kevin PollakYes. Well, you know what? I would love to have them in this room. And watch that debate. Quite frankly, SpaceX came first and it is a thriving industry that only recently actually stepped up its game, or so it seems, from what I'm reading.
37:54Kevin PollakYou want to share some of the Latest news?
37:57Elon MuskWell, SpaceX, we got to orbit last year, which is a fairly big deal. Our rocket is arguably the first completely privately developed rocket to reach orbit, although there's some dispute on that front.
38:11Elon MuskBut it's unequivocally the first liquid fuel privately developed rocket to reach orbit. And that's a tough thing. Most countries can't do that. So it's a.
38:22Kevin PollakAnd how many years did that take?
38:24Elon MuskThat was six years from start to reaching.
38:30Kevin PollakAnd so when the money is just evaporating as you're pouring all the time and energy in your life into this vision, how often people want to hear about the struggle?
38:41Kevin PollakHow often does the thought enter your mind? You know, it's just, it's too much. There's other things I want to do with my life because I have to assume this is all consuming for you.
38:52Elon MuskWell, I spend a lot of time with my kids. I mean, there's really just, I guess, four things that I do. There's SpaceX and Tesla, which take about roughly half of my business time each.
39:07Elon MuskThen there's my kids, and then I sleep. I mean, that's like four things I do and often sleep doesn't. I don't get a lot of sleep.
39:14Kevin PollakThat becomes the commodity, doesn't it?
39:16Elon MuskYeah, it was definitely difficult. The fourth quarter of last year was very difficult and yeah, it was. Well, it was very difficult for everyone, I think.
39:27Kevin PollakYeah, for everyone. Until we found out, of course, that Britney Spears is back. And then it all sort of lightened our load a little bit.
39:33Elon MuskAbsolutely. There was a glimmer of hope.
39:36Kevin PollakRight, well put. That's what I would have called it as well, a glimmer. So six years from the design and from the vision, and then last year your first complete orbit.
39:51Elon MuskYeah, absolutely. We came close on our second and third flights. We did reach space, but we did not reach orbital velocity in our second and third flights. And then our fourth flight, we reached orbital velocity.
40:03Elon MuskAnd then we've got another flight coming up towards the end of this month and that's going to deliver a satellite for Malaysia.
40:12Kevin PollakYou have to take on some commercial cargo.
40:16Elon MuskYeah, yeah, absolutely. We have a wide variety of customers, actually. NASA is our biggest customer by far, but we have many other customers as well. Sweden is a customer, Malaysia, as I mentioned, Canada.
40:32Elon MuskAnd then we also have some purely commercial customers. We'll be launching a satellite for Avanti, which is a European broadcast satellite company. And. Yeah, so expound a little bit if
40:45Kevin Pollakyou can with your relationship with NASA, because I think this is pretty fascinating, quite frankly.
40:50Elon MuskYeah, well, I love NASA. I want to say that NASA is awesome.
40:55Kevin PollakWell, they believe in you. So I tend to agree with people who agree with me. So I understand where you're coming from.
41:02Elon MuskYeah, NASA's actually been really supportive and SpaceX would not have gotten as far as it did without NASA's help. So I want to acknowledge that. And in December of last year, NASA actually gave us the contract to be the replacement for the space shuttle as far as cargo is concerned.
41:24Elon MuskSo the space shuttle retires at the end of next year. And then NASA does have a long term plan for developing a launch vehicle and a spacecraft called the Ares Orion Project, but that's intended to go back to the moon and that's only going to see flight probably around the 2016 time frame.
41:45Elon MuskSo there's kind of a gap of five or six years. But we still have a space station up there that we've got to service. So what do we do during that gap?
41:55Elon MuskAnd that's why NASA took the unprecedented step of saying, okay, let's see what the private sector can do and let's.
42:02Kevin PollakYou stepped up.
42:03Elon MuskYeah, yeah, we did. And so NASA felt confident enough to award. They actually had a competition and there were 20 missions and we got 12 of the 28 of them were awarded to another company, Orbital Sciences.
42:19Elon MuskAnd then there was a third competitor which was a joint venture of Boeing, Lockheed and Align Tech Systems, which actually did not get any of the missions. So that was a big upset.
42:29Kevin PollakA huge upset.
42:30Elon MuskYeah, yeah.
42:32Kevin PollakI mean, I wouldn't blame any of your engineers when that moment happened if they sort of rallied together and said suck it to those people.
42:39Elon MuskRight. So it was.
42:45Kevin PollakI knew I could break it.
42:47Elon MuskVery lucky to find companies, of course.
42:49Kevin PollakPlease, they're doing just fine without my little cynicism. So you're well established now with your relationship with NASA. They're clearly depending on you. You've won this competition.
43:02Elon MuskThey really are depending on us. And so it's actually quite a big responsibility which we take very seriously. And so we're working very hard to make sure we don't let them down.
43:13Kevin PollakYeah. And you were just in Washington just before the Model S announcement, right. About the. Well, tell us what you were.
43:23Elon MuskActually, I'm in Washington quite a lot because there's a lot of interests there, both for SpaceX and Tesla.
43:31Kevin PollakThere was a bit of an announcement right before the March 26th. You were there. I was reading something where you had to address a group.
43:41Elon MuskMaybe it was the satellite. There's a big satellite conference in D.C. every year. Yeah. So, yeah, I gave a. A keynote there. Right, yeah. And that was just basically giving people an Update on where SpaceX is and what progress we're making.
43:55Kevin PollakThat's what I was reading about.
43:57Elon MuskYeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, just basically telling people where we are. And we're expecting to launch our big rocket, the Falcon 9, with the dragon spacecraft later this year.
44:12Kevin PollakRight. I think you were discussing the Falcon 9.
44:14Elon MuskRight. The vehicles we've launched to date are the Falcon 1, which is a much smaller vehicle. So Falcon 9 is very big. In fact, it's going to be the most powerful single core vehicle in the US fleet.
44:25Elon MuskBy single core, I mean without using side boosters. And then the Falcon 9 heavy, which is the Falcon 9 with side boosters, will actually be the highest payload capable vehicle in the world.
44:38Kevin PollakAnd when did you share that piece of news? Was that something that was.
44:41Elon MuskIt's actually. That's been on our website for a while, though. I'm not sure people believed we'd actually do it.
44:45Kevin PollakYeah, I'm sure there were people waiting for that announcement and also now waiting for the failure. You must have a lot of the surrounding people, I mean people who are competitive with you, I speak of who part of them want you to succeed because it opens up opportunities for them.
45:04Kevin PollakBut at the same time, if it's anything at all, like the business of show, there's such competition that even those who succeed feel the sense of there isn't enough to go around and if you succeed, it means I won't.
45:20Kevin PollakIs there more of a camaraderie from your standpoint?
45:24Elon MuskWell, it depends on who you're talking about. So there's some companies where we are a great enabler because we're fundamentally. SpaceX is in the transportation business. And if transportation improves, then those who use transportation will find that their business has improved, just as when they finished the transcontinental railway in the early days of early history of the United States, it was a huge boon to businesses in the East Coast.
45:53Elon MuskBusinesses, people could travel back and forth, goods could transfer a lot easier. So it was really helpful to everyone, except probably the stagecoach companies. They didn't like it that much.
46:04Kevin PollakNo, they didn't.
46:07Elon MuskSo I think there's more of the space business that wants us to succeed than doesn't want us to succeed.
46:17Kevin PollakSo are you Feeling more scrutiny about the Model S in terms of competitiveness. Because here's just based on the documentary, the Killing of the Electric Cars. This has happened before.
46:28Kevin PollakThe name itself, Tesla, comes from someone who is obviously squashed by the bigger electric companies.
46:35Elon MuskNikola Tesla did pretty well for most of his life, although he went kind of bonkers at the end. Hopefully that doesn't happen to me.
46:42Kevin PollakYes, we're all pulling for that, but I mean, in terms of who got credit for what, that seemed to be the struggle. In terms of the memory. If you ask your average American on the street what they know about Nikolai, it says you're not going to get a lot of.
46:56Elon MuskYeah, Edison. I think in the popular mindset, Tesla gets less notice than Edison. In the sort of scientific world, Tesla gets more attention and more credit than Edison. And they both.
47:16Elon MuskI think they're both really great men and did amazing things and a little bit of rivalry is probably a good thing.
47:24Kevin PollakIt's a great thing.
47:26Elon MuskSo I think they're both great. We thought we'd recognize Tesla in naming the car company better than naming it the Elon Car Company or something like that.
47:37Kevin PollakI'm proud of you for letting that go. Sure crossed your mind at some point. All right, how many people have signed up, already officially signed up and are awaiting delivery on the Model S?
47:49Elon MuskI don't know the exact number today, but we're well over 500. Over 500.
47:53Kevin PollakHow do I build the next one?
47:55Elon MuskOh, just go to the website. You can just click the button.
47:58Kevin PollakI've got you right here. Are there forms that we could fill out right now?
48:02Elon MuskLiterally, you can.
48:03Kevin PollakHow easy is this? So you go to the website and you follow the simple instructions, clicking, yes, me. I want one.
48:08Elon MuskAs someone who did PayPal, you can imagine that I have a big focus on making things really easy. Nice job online. So we spend a lot of time at PayPal trying to make things super easy.
48:22Elon MuskAnd actually, if somebody goes to the Tesla Motors, just go to teslamotors.com click on the buy tab. You should be able to put down a reservation for a Model s in under five minutes.
48:32Kevin PollakI like that a lot.
48:34Elon MuskIt's a $5,000 reservation, which is refundable, and I'm personally standing behind the reservation payments. So if anyone is concerned about us going out of business, the only thing you should worry about is if I get hit by a bus.
48:48Elon MuskAnd I'm trying to cover that one as well by getting some key man insurance in place. So if I do get hit by a bus, just really there's the bus factor.
48:56Kevin PollakThat's still an opportunity. I was just thinking, oh, I have buses in LA.
48:59Elon MuskFortunately, I'm safe.
49:00Kevin Pollak500 people times $5,000. You should be able to cover that fairly easily.
49:04Elon MuskYeah, it's not going to. I don't think it's going to be. I don't think people's deposit. Well, we can't call it a deposit for legal reasons, but people's reservation payment is, I think, is safe.
49:17Kevin PollakBut I'm glad we were able to uncover the bus factor. This is very important, I think, to a lot of customers. They need to know.
49:24Elon MuskWell, I mean, there's still. I mean, there's a tiny bit of risk.
49:27Kevin PollakYour kryptonite, apparently, is the bus.
49:29Elon MuskRight. Well, so there's always a tiny bit of risk. And the tiny bit of risk would be if Tesla goes out of business and I lose all of my assets.
49:41Elon MuskAnd don't die.
49:43Kevin PollakAnd don't die.
49:43Elon MuskAnd don't die.
49:44Kevin PollakThere's the rub.
49:46Elon MuskAnd for the rest of my life, I'm never able to repay. To build up my assets to the point where people can be repaid. That would be the circumstance under which people would lose their money.
49:53Kevin PollakYou know what? I'm glad you did the math on that, because I'm sure a lot of people have. Also,
50:02Elon MuskIf bus does hit me, it needs to kill me, not partially paralyze me or something.
50:07Kevin PollakFor those of you who currently call bus driving your profession, do us all a favor and stay the hell away from this man. If at all possible, hit the dog.
50:22Kevin PollakIf I may, Mr. Musk, I cannot thank you enough for sharing as much as you have. I would love to. To have you on again in terms of watching the progress of SpaceX as well as Tesla, because I am wildly curious and I know an awful lot of people are as well that are just starting to discover what's been going on now in your life for the last six years, in the case of SpaceX, in the last Roadster, rather, and now the last couple years with the Model S and waiting with bated breath to see where this company is going and praying with you and for you, that it succeeds beyond your dreams.
51:08Elon MuskThanks. Actually, you know what? You haven't touched on any personal stuff, which is fine, but, you know, I
51:13Kevin Pollakdidn't want to, but I'm happy to go there.
51:15Elon MuskWhat would you like to talk about? Well, there is a common misperception which does sort of drive me crazy a little bit. Okay. You know, I sort of. My wife and I are getting.
51:29Elon MuskOr my ex Wife and I are getting divorced and we been there. Yeah, yeah.
51:34Kevin PollakSo sorry.
51:35Elon MuskThe divorce filing took place in sort of June of last year, and so it takes a while for these things to get done.
51:41Kevin PollakBoy, does it.
51:41Elon MuskYeah. And although my ex wife, to her credit, made it clear in her blog that the marriage was over for reasons that had nothing to do with anyone else, in fact, she wanted to get divorced at least as much as I did, if not more.
51:59Kevin PollakThat takes a little stress and guilt away. Sure.
52:02Elon MuskRight. There have been a few articles which have said that I left my wife and five kids for someone else.
52:11Kevin PollakI'm glad you brought this up. I wasn't about to go there, but for God's sakes, let's clear a little air here. That would be very frustrating to me as well if that was in press releases and articles written about me when I was trying to change the face of the automobile business.
52:26Kevin PollakBut, yeah, let's talk about it.
52:27Elon MuskWell, it's. Whatever you'd like to share. If I read that about someone, I would think, what a dick.
52:31Kevin PollakAll right.
52:33Elon MuskAnd that would be true if it were true. But actually it's not, because I would never leave my kids. In fact, I see them five days a week.
52:42Kevin PollakThey keep you from sleeping. We talked about that before. Yeah, yeah. What are the age range of these five children of yours?
52:49Elon MuskWell, the twins are turning five and the triplets are two and a half. Wow.
52:55Kevin PollakTwins and triplets.
52:56Elon MuskYeah.
52:57Kevin PollakThat makes the five.
52:58Elon MuskWow.
52:58Kevin PollakWow.
53:03Elon MuskSo, anyway, it's just a point of clarification. There was an article. I think there have been a few articles where that's sort of been mentioned as an offhand comment.
53:12Elon MuskIn fact, they weren't even. There were positive articles. They just mentioned it sort of off the cuff, and they were corrected in the online version. But, you know, it's difficult sometimes correct these perceptions.
53:22Elon MuskOn the surface of it may seem that I left my wife or someone else, but I didn't.
53:30Kevin PollakWell, this is the problem that comes with the limelight. You see, you've gone beyond your profession and your expertise and your business life, and you're now being scrutinized for your personal life.
53:41Kevin PollakAnd I do know a great deal about that from, of course, the business that I chose many years ago. And it's never fair, it's never balanced, and it's always about selling an article or a paper or a magazine and whatever it takes to throw you under that bus, if we may go back to that unfortunate spot, they will do it.
54:03Kevin PollakAnd I am more than happy to offer you this form to clear any air in regards to, to this at any time. Because a lot of times, quite frankly, people in show business, they're sort of taught to stay away from it.
54:17Kevin PollakYou know what, don't just leave it. They're going to write whatever they want to write. And I think that it's pretty damn courageous to sit here and say, you know what, this is what's being said about me and I don't appreciate it.
54:26Kevin PollakSo I commend you for that.
54:27Elon MuskWell, I think it's a correct. I'm certainly not someone who is. I mean, I'm no saint, but I, I'll say.
54:36Kevin PollakWell, I didn't know. Say,
54:40Elon Muskbut I generally try to do the right thing and, and you know, so, and so like, like I said, if people actually were to say, go look at my ex wife's blog or something, they'd know, okay, the marriage came to an end because do a little more research, grew apart and just wasn't working and we're making each other unhappy.
54:58Elon MuskSo. But there are people that always know to do that. And so anyway, well, thank you.
55:04Kevin PollakThank you very much for sharing all of that. I really genuinely appreciate it and I think the people watching appreciate it as much. The whole idea of the show was to not just be an infomercial about a film or a project or the design of an electric car.
55:19Kevin PollakIt was really about getting to know the people behind their work and their lives and what it takes to, in some cases, to make history. And so on that level, I thank you very much.
55:32Elon MuskAll right, well, thanks for having me.
55:33Kevin PollakYeah, thank you, Mr. Elon Musk. And I want to not only thank him, but my first guest, Jason Antoun. This has been a remarkable day and evening for me and for this show on many levels.
55:54Kevin PollakAnd I want to take the opportunity this time, unlike the previous times, of thanking my crew because for some reason we're wrapping up all the equipment after the show.
56:05Kevin PollakAnd the first thing that crosses my mind is I didn't thank everyone. So Jason Calacanis, thanks for nothing. Let's start there. Then we go over to Tyler and Crude and Jamie and Jason McIntyre and Kate Shorter and Professor Chen, I like to call him.
56:24Kevin PollakAnd where's Jacob? Is he out there crawling around somewhere? You're not getting any credit. I'm not thanking you. And Gypsy Kinnear from across the country lines into Canada and Josh, who he sent here today to help out.
56:39Kevin PollakAnd I want to thank all of you who are insistent on watching us live and contributed. I did not put you on the spot to play the Larry King game.
56:49Kevin PollakI'm not sure I should let you slide. Did you contemplate that at all?
56:55Elon MuskI'm not 100% sure how one plays the Larry King game.
56:58Kevin PollakOkay, well, I'll tell you what. I'm going to insist that you come back with a Larry King game prepared. I'm going to let you off the hook on this one because I feel like I've more than pressed my luck with your appearance here and I thank you for your time.
57:17Kevin PollakI sincerely do.
57:18Elon MuskAll right. You're welcome.
57:20Kevin PollakOkay. So thanks to everyone involved and thank you for watching. And please join us again. My guest next week on Easter Sunday, he's called Yid Vicious, the pit bull of stand up comedy, Bobby Slayton.
57:32Kevin PollakI got myself a funny Jew for Easter. That's what I did. I also got the star of an amazing documentary called Super High Me, a great, great talent, Mr.
57:42Kevin PollakDoug Benson. We just lined up a few other new guests. I'm very excited. If you're a fan of the runaway hit Mad Men, the Golden Globe winning star of that show, Jon Hamm has agreed to join us.
57:59Kevin PollakIt'll either be the 19th or 26th, but on the 19th for certain, the Academy Award winning writer of the Usual Suspects. Not a bad film, so I've been told.
58:11Kevin PollakFelicia Day, the beginning of May. Those of you who enjoy the Guild online and everything that it's becoming there beyond a lot of great other people who have said yes.
58:22Kevin PollakAnd I'll be making more announcements. Thank you for all your involvement and help. Don't forget our contest. We skipped three degrees of Kevin Pollack. We'll get back to that next week.
58:32Kevin PollakAnd don't forget your suggestions for the Larry King game. And thank you for all your questions. I'm sorry we didn't get to them. And I'll see you next week.
58:41Kevin PollakOkay.
59:03Kevin PollakSam.