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0:05Jensen HuangI can't imagine someone who enjoys cars and building cars and building self driving cars and figuring out where the future of cars is going to go, and has broken every rule in building cars and somehow managed to have created just an amazing company.
0:24Jensen HuangI still remember the first car I bought from him. My only question for Elon at the time was, are you going to be around to service this car if something happened to it?
0:34Jensen HuangAnd he says no, trust me. And look what happened. What an amazing achievement. I have all three versions of his cars. It just gets better and better. Not only does it get better and better, each version gets better and better.
0:46Jensen HuangIt just delights me to no end when I get an OTA in the morning, know and, and I read it and oh wow, all these features. I didn't even pay for it.
0:56Jensen HuangI'm not suggesting that I'm willing to pay more for it, but. Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Tesla CEO, founder Elon Mus.
1:23Jensen HuangElon, come on up. I've never seen anybody walk this slow. How are you? Welcome, welcome guys. Elon Musk.
1:38Jensen HuangNow, now, you know we made it a point not to, not to rehearse anything. And so as I just want to just as a, as a, as a, just reminder, you're, you're my last thing.
1:49Elon MuskOkay, okay.
1:50Jensen HuangCould you not ruin the whole thing?
1:51Elon MuskAll right, all right.
1:52Jensen HuangSo now speaking of that, speaking of that, I think everybody would like to before we get into all of the good stuff.
1:59Elon MuskOkay.
2:00Jensen HuangAnd they want to go directly to the juicy stuff.
2:03Elon MuskOkay, okay.
2:04Jensen HuangAnd the juicy stuff is this. Look, you know, you were quoted as a saying that, that artificial intelligence is more dangerous than nuclear weapons.
2:17Elon MuskI said potentially.
2:20Jensen HuangAnd, and well, it goes on. It goes on.
2:23Elon MuskIt does go on.
2:25Jensen HuangYou say that it's like summoning the demon.
2:28Elon MuskCould be.
2:29Jensen HuangHow do you consolidate, rationalize that conflict between artificial intelligence. Of course, deep learning, that obviously is going to be very important to self driving cars. How do you think through that?
2:40Elon MuskWell, I don't think we have to worry about autonomous cars because that's sort of like a narrow form of AI and instantly not something I think is very difficult.
2:50Elon MuskActually. I think the. To do autonomous driving to a degree that's much safer than a person is much easier than people think.
2:58Jensen HuangYeah, right.
3:00Elon MuskAnd yeah, I think it's going to just become normal. Like it'd be like an elevator. Like. No, they used to have elevator operators and then we, you know, we developed some simple circuitry to have elevators just automatically come to the floor that you're at and you can just press the button.
3:18Elon MuskNobody needs to operate the elevator. The car is just going to be like that.
3:23Jensen HuangAnd the elevators these days are even smart. I mean, it knows where to position an elevator so that if you were to need an elevator, it's pretty close to you.
3:32Jensen HuangCars in the future will be pretty smart about that too.
3:34Elon MuskYeah, you'll be able to tell your car like take me home, go here, go there, anything. And it'll just do it at an order of magnitude safer than a person.
3:46Elon MuskIn fact, in the distant future, I think it's probably going to be people may outlaw driving cars because it's too dangerous. You can't have a person driving a two ton death machine.
4:01Jensen HuangNow, if we have the right type of intelligence in a car, we also don't have to make the cars that heavy. I would think. You know, cars are getting heavier and heavier and it's got more and more stuff in it because it needs to survive all these incredible collisions and things like that.
4:16Jensen HuangI wonder if we were to design cars that just simply don't collide as much. I wonder if we could relax on some of those laws and make cars more fuel efficient and lighter and better to drive.
4:28Elon MuskYou could definitely do that. If you could count on not having an accident, then you can get rid of a huge amount of the crash structure and the airbags.
4:37Elon MuskAnd we're a long way from that because there's always going to be some for a very long time. There'll be some amount of legacy cars on the road. And I think it is important to just appreciate the size of the automotive industrial base.
4:51Elon MuskIt's not as though when somebody makes an autonomous car that suddenly all the cars will be autonomous. It's like there's 2 billion of them. So the total number of cars and trucks on the road is 2 billion and climbing.
5:05Elon MuskThe capacity of car and truck production is about 100 million a year. So if tomorrow all cars were autonomous, it would take 20 years to replace the fleet. Assuming the fleet stayed the same size.
5:19Elon MuskArguably it could get smaller if things were autonomous, but still it's still maybe 15 years or something. And it's not all going to transition immediately. It'll take quite a while.
5:32Elon MuskAnd it's the same for electrification of cars changing that industrial base to be electric. I mean, if all cars were suddenly, if all cars produced were electric tomorrow, it would still take 20 years to replace the fleet.
5:47Elon MuskAnd right now it's less than 1%.
5:51Jensen HuangYou mentioned just now about self driving cars being easier than people think. Now you have your vision of how to go from where we are today. Now, my model, my P85D has lane detection and so it gets a little bzz, you know, when I get close to a lane, it detects the speed signs and it uses computer vision technology to do that.
6:16Jensen HuangAnd that's today's ADAs. What is your roadmap? How is that different than other people's roadmap? How do you think about how to get to self driving cars?
6:24Elon MuskYeah, well, you kind of need the hardware foundation, the sort of sensor and computing foundation and then you can keep uploading new software. At least you can with a Tesla because it's always connected.
6:36Elon MuskSo the car that you have, you'll notice the features are steadily improving. We now have active cruise control, so it'll use radar and camera fusion to track the car in front of you.
6:50Elon MuskIt's also looking at, with some of the things that are coming out. It looks at the brake lights, so it anticipates that the car's got the brake lights are active.
6:59Elon MuskIt's going to get basically smarter and smarter, even with the current hardware suite. So the current hardware suite is 360 degree ultrasonic sensors that go up to about just over 5 meters.
7:09Elon MuskIt's a forward camera and a forward radar. So we'll make, even with just that sensor suite, we can actually make huge progress in autonomy. We can certainly make the car steer itself on a freeway and do lane changes.
7:28Elon MuskIt's really autonomy is about what level of reliability and safety do you want? Even with the current sensor suite, we could make the cargo fully autonomous, but only to, but not to a level of reliability that would be safe in say, a complex urban environment at 30 miles an hour, where the lane markings aren't there and children could be playing and things could be coming at you from the side.
7:55Elon MuskSo in order to solve that, you need a bigger sensor suite and you need more computing power. And I think what you're doing actually with the Tegras in the future is super interesting and will really be a big enabler for autonomous driving.
8:12Elon MuskSo I think Nvidia is doing really great stuff on that front.
8:15Jensen HuangI appreciate that. And so some of the challenges that you see, what are some of the technological hurdles that. And there's all kinds of researchers in the room, there are all kinds of engineers in the room.
8:28Jensen HuangWhat are some of the technological hurdles that you think are really important for us to go tackle? Surely we're going to get to some better cruise controls on highways, but beyond that, what are some of the things that you would like us to go focus on to tackle for the car industry.
8:45Elon MuskWell, where it gets tricky is just that sort of urban environment around 30 or 40 miles an hour. So right now it's fairly easy to deal with, say things that are sub 5 to 10 miles an hour because we can do that, do that with the ultrasonics.
9:04Elon MuskWe just make sure it doesn't hit anything because you can always.
9:08Jensen HuangWhich is the right thing to do largely.
9:09Elon MuskWhy would you want to hit anything with your car? Exactly. So at 5, 10 miles an hour, you can stop within the range of the ultrasonics and then from let's say 10 miles an hour to you know, call it sort of 50 miles an hour.
9:26Elon MuskThat area in complex suburban environments, that's where you can get a lot of unexpected things happening. Like let's say there's like a road closure or a manhole cover open.
9:40Elon MuskChildren playing is a big issue. Bicycles, once you get about 50 miles an hour and you're in kind of a freeway environment, then it also gets easier again. Like the set of possibilities is much reduced.
9:54Elon MuskSo highway cruise is easy, low speed is easy, intermediate is hard. And so being able to recognize what you're seeing and make the right decision in the suburban environment in that 10 miles an hour to 50 mile an hour zone is the challenging portion of the.
10:15Elon MuskBut I really think it's. I mean, this may sound a little complacent, but I almost view it as like a solved problem. Like we know exactly what to do and we'll be there in a few years.
10:25Elon MuskRight.
10:27Jensen HuangJust like Mars. But that's not quite as. That's kind of the spirit of innovators. I mean, in a lot of ways, in your mind, you kind of see things solvable or arguably solved.
10:43Jensen HuangAnd a lot of it is really about getting there.
10:47Elon MuskYeah, we'll take autonomous costs for granted in quite a short period of time. It's amazing how comfortable you get and how quickly you get comfortable with it.
10:57Jensen HuangNow what about government? Government policies? Like one of the things that I would like to do is I would just like to keep working on my email as I'm driving to work.
11:05Elon MuskSure.
11:06Jensen HuangThere's a 30.
11:07Elon MuskSome people do that already.
11:12Jensen HuangLike I said, I would like to do it without breaking the law. So where do you think government intervention falls in some of this stuff? Because obviously if your car drives by itself and it does it even better than people, you would like it to drive by itself, but largely the laws don't allow you to do that today, Right?
11:33Elon MuskAbsolutely.
11:34Jensen HuangSo how do we cross that bridge. And how do you think about government intervention regulations?
11:39Elon MuskRight, So I think from the point at which a car is definitely safer than a person, there's probably at least another two or three years after that before regulators will allow that to be the case, because they will want to see a large amount of statistical proof that it's not merely as safe as a person, but much safer.
12:02Elon MuskSo I think what you can do is you can run it in shadow mode and essentially say, okay, this is what the computer would have done in all these circumstances.
12:10Elon MuskAnd was there a crash or was there not? Like, what are the false positives, false negatives, and then achieve a large population group and then make a really clear statistical argument with the regulators and then they're going to digest that, observe it for a while, see if they agree with it, and then I think they will.
12:30Elon MuskBecause the evidence will be overwhelming.
12:32Jensen HuangYeah, and the evidence is actually already quite overwhelming that if you would have noticed a brake light in front of you on the highway and you didn't crash into a rear end collision, a lot of lies are safe.
12:46Jensen HuangYou know, ideally, hopefully people don't overreact with this unknown technology and prematurely regulate no premature regulations.
13:00Elon MuskWell, I mean, regulate.
13:01Jensen HuangThat was a joke there.
13:07Elon MuskI think when it comes to public safety, I think there's an argument for being quite cautious and making sure that things are okay before there's a change. And I mean, I don't think it's the case that right now there's a fully autonomous system and regulators are not approving it.
13:27Elon MuskThat could really be a substitute for people, but they will be in a few years.
13:31Jensen HuangNow, as we get more computerized technology into these cars, this car becomes really a software defined car. I mean, a lot of your engineers are software engineers.
13:40Elon MuskI mean, that's absolutely one of the
13:41Jensen Huanggreat things about Tesla. You guys right here in Silicon Valley, you're rich with software engineers and you have that computer sensibility about architecting a computer, properly designing the software, properly designing the software for many generations of cars.
13:55Jensen HuangSo it refines and gets better and better. And it has been getting better. I mean, the software from the first time you sent me my Tesla to the now, it's just like unrecognizable software.
14:05Elon MuskRight? Big improvements. That's why the first thing we try to do is establish the hardware platform, make sure that we have the sensors and compute power. And so we do that first, even though the software is only taking advantage of a small percentage of the sensors and compute power.
14:23Elon MuskAnd then we do continuous updates to make the car more and more capable. And we're going to see a lot of that happen later this year. If I didn't have an announcement on Thursday morning, I would be saying a lot more.
14:37Elon MuskBut yeah,
14:41Jensen Huangthe audience doesn't understand why they have to wait until Thursday morning. You tweeted it already. You're announcing you're going to do an ota. What kind of announcement is that?
14:48Jensen HuangI'm going to do an OTA on Thursday. That's like a new product announcement these days.
14:53Elon MuskIt's just that. Well, it's just saying that there's going to be a call on Thursday morning and I'm going to describe what's going to be in version 6.2 for anyone who's interested.
15:01Jensen HuangThat's so awesome though. I'm interested. I get excited every time I get an ota. And it's. You know, one of the things that was really interesting is in the beginning, when we first built the first Tesla together, the Tegra in it we thought was more than enough.
15:17Jensen HuangAnd recently you said, can we just squeeze more performance out of that platform? And it just happened in literally two years. You know, several versions of your software updates, all of a sudden the computing platform is not powerful enough.
15:29Elon MuskRight.
15:29Jensen HuangAnd it's because you want to add more features. And a lot of features these days are based on software.
15:33Elon MuskTrue. Yeah.
15:34Jensen HuangAnd so one last question, and it has to do with, I guess, something that a lot of people are very concerned about, which is your car becomes a software platform and software platforms get hacked.
15:47Jensen HuangHow do you think about that? How do you think about security? And what are some of the things that we could do to try to make the car more resilient to security attacks?
15:57Elon MuskYeah, I think that becomes really important when the cars are fully autonomous. I mean, the way the cars work right now, every system in the car, it's assumed, could actually have a mechanical failure of some kind or a logic failure, a fundamental logic failure.
16:11Elon MuskSo you can always overwhelm the braking of the car with your foot and you can overwhelm the steering wheel with your hands. But when there isn't a steering wheel or there isn't a brake pedal or something like many years from now, then it's really, really dangerous.
16:30Elon MuskBut even as it is right now, what we spend most of our time on is making sure that it's very difficult to do a multi car hack. If you have direct access to a car.
16:41Elon MuskJust like if you've got direct access to a computer or even a conventional car, you can do a lot of things to it. But that's less of a concern than somebody being able to hack an arbitrary car or multiple cars.
16:53Elon MuskSo that's what we focus our energy on, is making sure that, that in that way it's a lot like a cell phone or a laptop. You know, you focus on making sure that they can't or that it's very difficult for there to be any kind of system wide hack.
17:09Elon MuskSo we put a lot of effort into that and we have third parties try to attack it. And then certain parts of the car at the very fundamental level, like the drive unit controller or the steering controller, have an additional level of security.
17:27Elon MuskSo somebody may be able to hack something that's cosmetic, but it's much harder to hack something that's actually physically dangerous. There's multiple levels of security.
17:40Jensen HuangSo this way, if you were able to penetrate maybe the infotainment system, it doesn't allow you quickly as a result of that.
17:47Elon MuskRight. It may display a funny message or something, but it would not, you would not be able to then control the steering or the motor.
17:53Jensen HuangYeah. Well, the future of cars is so exciting and the work that you guys are doing are so exciting and it's great to see you guys pioneering these computerized cars.
18:03Jensen HuangI mean, a lot of people think about Tesla as the electric car, but I think it's obviously more than that. It's an electric car, but it's a whole computer platform on top of that.
18:13Elon MuskYeah, I think Tesla's, Tesla's sort of the leader in electric cars, but I think we'll also sort of be the leader in autonomous cars, at least autonomous cars that people can buy.
18:23Elon MuskAnd I mean, if there's anybody interested in working on autonomous cars, we'd love to have you work at Tesla, by the way. So we're going to put a lot of effort into autonomous driving because it's just going to be a bit the default thing and it could save a lot of lives.
18:42Jensen HuangYeah, so save a lot of lives. And hopefully one of these days it would be nice if Nvidia's campus has no parking lot.
18:48Elon MuskYeah, right.
18:49Jensen HuangIt drops us off and it meanders off to a place where the land's a little cheaper and, you know, and parks a whole bunch of cars there. And when it's time to go home, we summon it to come.
18:58Elon MuskIt will be extremely transformative, that's for sure. But yeah, I mean, when it comes to AI, I'm not really worried about sort of narrow AI, like, like autonomous cars or like, you know, a smart air conditioning unit.
19:12Elon MuskAt the house or something. It's more like sort of the deep intelligence stuff. That is where we need to be cautious. I actually think there's many potential flavors of AI and you know, it's odd that we're at, we're so close to the advent of AI.
19:29Elon MuskLike it's seems strange that we would be alive in this, in this time.
19:34Jensen HuangWell, come back every year, come back every year and you'll see the work that this group is going to do. I mean there's so much deep learning work being done here.
19:42Jensen HuangYou have a lot of engineers here as well. And it's fantastic to see the whole community focused on advancing this field. And along the way we're going to spin off a whole bunch of new capabilities.
19:52Jensen HuangAs you know, that's going to make cars just safer and more fun to drive long before we have to get to, to essentially a self driving car.
20:00Elon MuskThere's going to be a lot of
20:01Jensen Huangversions along the way. That's just going to bring joy to a lot of people.
20:04Elon MuskYeah, absolutely. I just hope there's something left for us humans to do.
20:09Jensen HuangWell, I'm not going to let go of my steering wheel. You know, I've got mine on the craziness mode and the sports steering mode. Is that the way you have it?
20:18Jensen HuangYou get driven to work now?
20:19Elon MuskNo. Well, I drive half the time actually.
20:23Jensen HuangAnd which mode do you have it in?
20:25Elon MuskI always have it in the same mode.
20:26Jensen HuangYeah.
20:28Elon MuskAll right, Elon.
20:29Jensen HuangThank you.
20:38Jensen HuangThe engineer of engineers, Elon Musk. Okay, let me summarize very quickly. We announced four things today. We had really exciting show, really exciting event. A lot of it's going to focus on deep learning.
20:50Jensen HuangYou guys know why now deep learning is so important. Deep learning is so important to us and the tools that we're going to create so that we can create the future together.
21:00Jensen HuangFirst, I announced Titan X, the world's fastest gpu. I announced Digits Dev Box, a GPU deep learning platform so that data scientists could plug it in, get right to work.
21:11Jensen HuangPascal is going to be 10 times faster than Maxwell in deep learning as a result of three fundamental technologies on top of the Pascal architecture, 3D memory, mixed mode precision and MV link.
21:26Jensen HuangThose three capabilities on top of the Pascal architecture will give us a 10x boost. And then I talked about the Nvidia Drive PX, a developer's platform that enjoys the ability to bring deep learning to augment today's ADAs and start us down the journey of creating more exciting cars in the future.
21:46Jensen HuangA deep learning platform for self driving cars. Everybody have a great gtc. Thank you.