America PAC Town Hall — Green Bay, Wisconsin (2025)
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31:07Master of CeremoniesHello, everybody.
31:10PerformerHello. Hello.
31:13Master of CeremoniesThank you.
31:14Elon MuskThank you. Thank you. Thank you.
31:19Master of CeremoniesWell, welcome to Elon Musk's Green Bay Town hall, and thank you for signing the petition against activist judges. I mean, this is all about getting out to vote on Tuesday to elect Brad Schimmel as the next justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
31:47Master of CeremoniesIt's so crucial we do that. You know, I've been traveling around with Brad, by the way.
31:52Guest SpeakerI don't.
31:52Master of CeremoniesI don't know. And I see Governor Walker here. I know he was a tireless campaigner. I don't know of any candidate that I've seen in my years now in the business campaign more tirelessly than Brad Schimmel.
32:05Master of CeremoniesHe's just been phenomenal.
32:12Master of CeremoniesHe's not doing it for himself. He's doing it to save the court, to save Wisconsin, to save America, let's be honest. So I'm traveling around the bus within the last couple days, and then we do what they call press gaggles, and we go up and talk to the press, and every question is about Elon, Elon, Elon, Elon.
32:33Master of CeremoniesNow, I don't know. I don't know about you. I think what Donald Trump and Elon Musk is doing in terms of the Doge movement is brilliant. What do you guys think?
32:49Master of CeremoniesI mean, what. What Elon and his group of geniuses is uncovering, it's just. It should outrage every American. You know, what. What, what the government has been spending and wasting our money on.
33:03Master of CeremoniesI mean, that should be, like you say, outrageous. Every American should be outraged by that. But. But the left isn't. No. Instead, they're attacking Elon. They're firebombing his cars and his dealerships.
33:22Master of CeremoniesBy the way, where's the outrage to that form of domestic terrorism? So that's really what this is all about. I mean, we've got leftists that want to impose their ideology on us through the court system, right?
33:42Master of CeremoniesThey don't care who or what they destroy in their quest for power. We can't let them get away with it. Now, 1.7 million Wisconsinites voted for Donald Trump, Right?
33:57Master of CeremoniesGod bless you all for doing that. If you want Donald Trump to be able to serve four years, effectively do all the things he's doing. And by the way, I can't believe how boldly and swiftly and decisively he is acting to fulfill his campaign promises.
34:19Master of CeremoniesBut you'll notice. You'll notice the activist judges, the radical leftists, the super legislators on the courts are issuing national injunctions against what he's trying to do. What we wanted him to do what the people elected him to do.
34:36Master of CeremoniesWe can't let that continue. Now, what should happen is, is John Roberts ought to reign those judges in. He ought to take care of his own branch of government.
34:49Master of CeremoniesBut what we need to do here in Wisconsin is we need to return our Supreme Court to one that has justices and judges. And by that I mean people who will apply the law, not alter it.
35:02Master of CeremoniesWe're not looking for super legislators again. It's a real disadvantage conservatives have is when I vote to confirm a Supreme Court nominee, I know I'm not going to like some of their judgments because they're ruling based on the law, and I don't like some of the laws.
35:19Master of CeremoniesThe radical leftists, they know exactly what their judges are going to do. And we know exactly what Susan Crawford would do. She will overturn Act 10. Governor Walker's signature achievements.
35:29Master of CeremoniesSay what? Billions for Wisconsin taxpayers. She will redistrict. She'll be part of the group that will redistrict Derek Van Orden and Brian Stiles districts. We may lose those wonderful members of Congress.
35:44Master of CeremoniesWe may lose the majority in the House. And I do not want to be sitting in a third impeachment trial. A president. That's what we're facing. So we cannot let that happen.
35:56Master of CeremoniesAnd again, the good news is we've got a person of integrity. Brad Schimmel's working his tail off. He will be that kind of judge.
36:07Master of CeremoniesThat will uphold the law and return the constitutional balance to Wisconsin and help save America. So that's all about again. So every one of the 1.7 million Wisconsinites that voted for Donald Trump, you must, must come out and vote.
36:22Master of CeremoniesIf you haven't already, vote, come out and vote on Tuesday.
36:29Master of CeremoniesTalk to every friend and family member and neighbor that you know, every email contact, every text contact, get them all out to vote on Tuesday. There's no reason that we can't have 1.345 million votes and easily win this election.
36:47Master of CeremoniesSo that's what you got to do. Thanks for coming here tonight. Now it's my pleasure to introduce a former congressman, another one of our high integrity people who represented us in Congress and is now representing us in America as the Secretary of the Department of Transportation, Sean Duffy.
37:16Guest SpeakerHey, everybody. What an amazing crowd.
37:26Guest SpeakerAre we not blessed to have a senator like Ron Johnson? It's amazing. Also somewhere here, Congressman Tony Weed is in the House. Tony, where are you? Right here. Scott Walker as well in the House.
37:42Guest SpeakerDerek Van Orden, I know, is here, too. Our great delegation from Wisconsin. We are Blessed to have fighters like that in Washington D.C. now, quick question for you. Is Donald Trump making America great again?
37:57Guest SpeakerYes, he is. Now, he does have a little bit of help from a guy by the name of Elon Musk. That's true. Yeah. And I would argue he probably has one of the best cabinets ever in recent history.
38:14Guest SpeakerMaybe we're helping as well. I think all of us thought our government and the waste in our government, it was, we thought it was bad. But after Doge's work, we can't believe how bad it is.
38:31Guest SpeakerThis is horrible. So think Stacey Abrams raises a couple hundred dollars in her climate action fund, and then Joe Biden gives her $2 billion for her climate fund. Elon Musk found that there are 7 million Social Security folks on the rolls that are over 120 years old.
38:59Guest SpeakerUnbelievable. And I love what Doge has found at USAID. 1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia, 2.5 million for EVs in Vietnam, 32,000 for transgender comic books in Peru.
39:24Guest Speaker2 million sex changes and LGBTQ activism in Guatemala. Your hard earned tax money go into garbage like that. And so I never thought the left could get more crazy than they actually have become.
39:43Guest SpeakerBut before this last election, they all wanted us to drive an EV. They wanted to force us into an EV. After the election, they're burning EVs. How crazy is that?
39:58Guest SpeakerAnd so I look at this and think, are you all sick of winning? No. If you're not sick of winning, let's not stop winning. And if you don't want to stop winning, this Tuesday is how you do it.
40:20Guest SpeakerThis election couldn't be more important. The country is watching what's going to happen in Wisconsin because you have a radical leftist judge who wants to get rid of school choice.
40:32Guest SpeakerShe wants to get rid of voter id. She wants to redraw congressional lines. She doesn't like parental rights. She wants to obstruct Donald Trump's agenda. She's soft on crime.
40:44Guest SpeakerShe doesn't believe in Bailey. And she believes that criminals are more important than victims. Unacceptable in this great state. And we have Brad Schimmel, who believes that the law should treat everyone the same, whether you're Republican or a Democrat.
41:05Guest SpeakerHe's a fair man who's going to impose the law in a way that treats everyone equally, which is what we want as conservatives. And so what? You all can do.
41:22Guest SpeakerWhat you all can. By the way, are you all gonna vote or have you voted? You guys all voted. Okay. You look like a pretty lively group, so I Imagine all of you at least have five friends, maybe 10.
41:36Guest SpeakerGet your five or 10 friends to the ballot box on Tuesday. And if all of you do that, you get your friends to the ballot box because this is a low voter turnout election.
41:48Guest SpeakerBring your friends, bring your family, and if you all turn out on Tuesday with your friends, we are going to win in Wisconsin and send a message to the radical left.
42:00Guest SpeakerDon't mess with Trump, don't mess with Doge, don't mess with Elon, and don't mess with with Wisconsin. Let's get it done, everybody. God bless.
42:56PerformerTake good care my business when I'm away every day Taking care of business, Taking care of business we be taking care of business We've been taking care of business Working overnight Taking care of business, Taking care of business Business we be taking care of business we be taking care of business and working overnight.
43:52PerformerWhere the New York City winters are in Greeting me, leading me,
44:02Master of Ceremoniesgoing home.
44:11PerformerIn the clearing stands a boxer and a fight by his trade and he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down or cut him till he cried out in his anger and his shame I am leaving, I am leaving but the p still remains.
44:37PerformerLila la.
45:05PerformerLa.
45:31Guest SpeakerLa.
45:56PerformerRam.
47:01PerformerBut I know that she left you and you swear that you just don't know why but you know always I always.
47:15PerformerIf you ever want me, come on.
47:32PerformerWelcome back. Don't you know.
47:43PerformerAin't nobody ever gonna love you?
47:51PerformerTake all your pain on your heart.
48:00PerformerAnd if you need me, you know.
48:07PerformerIf you ever want me, come on.
48:24PerformerLike you always say to.
48:31PerformerAnd when you're walking around the world, babe, you sit. You're trying to look for the end of the road. You might find out later that the roads don't end in Detroit and the roads don't even end in Kathmandu.
48:48PerformerYou could go all around the world trying to find something to do with your life for him. When you only got to do one thing well. You only got to do one thing well to make it in this world.
49:05PerformerYou got a woman waiting for you there. All you ever gotta do is be a good man one time to one woman and that'll be the end. I know you got more kids to share.
49:21PerformerCome on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
49:31Elon MuskLadies and gentlemen, please take your seats. We will resume the Town hall with Elon Musk shortly. Please prepare your question related to the election after Elon's opening remarks. Please line up behind the folks with the microphones in the aisle.
49:48Elon MuskThank you for taking your seats. We will begin shortly.
50:23PerformerAnd When I go away I know my heart can stay with my love it's on the st it's in the hands of my love and why love does it go?
50:57PerformerMy love does it do?
51:07PerformerAnd when the cup is bare
51:11ModeratorI'll
51:11Performerstill find something there with my love it's understood everywhere with my love My love does it I.
51:42PerformerLove does it do oh, I love oh, my love Only my love holds the other key to me oh, my love oh, my love Only my love does it to me Sam.
52:58PerformerMy love doesn't do.
53:07PerformerDon't ever ask me why I never say say goodbye to my love it's understood it's everywhere with my love My love.
53:42PerformerMy love does it good oh, I love oh, my love Only my love does it to.
54:46PerformerWhen I was a young boy,
54:55PerformerYou know so much older I long those young hard days With a girl like you With a girl like you
55:09Guest SpeakerLord
55:10Performerknows how things we can do, baby.
55:17PerformerHer so good Come on, baby, make it hurt so good Sometimes love don't feel like you baby Hurts so good.
55:46PerformerCan't change.
56:03Elon MuskLadies and gentlemen, please welcome Elon Musk,
56:18PerformerEverybody.
56:35Elon MuskThanks for coming. What do you think of my hat? All right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna sign the hat and I'm gonna throw it out.
57:09PerformerAll right.
57:18Elon MuskI love you guys, too.
57:22Audience MemberSo.
57:24Elon MuskWell, thank you for coming out in support of this very important Supreme Court race in Wisconsin. It's actually something that. I think it's one of those things that may seem like it's obviously important in the state of Wisconsin, but I think it could actually be important for the country as well and maybe for the world.
57:47Elon MuskSo.
57:54Guest SpeakerThe.
57:55Elon MuskThe House majority right now is razor thin. It's really just a few seats. And if the Supreme Court is able to redraw the districts, they will gerrymander the districts and deprive Wisconsin of two House seats on the Republican side.
58:14Elon MuskYeah, exactly. The result of that could be that the House switches to a Democratic House. Yes, indeed. And then they will try to stop all of the government reforms that we are doing and we're getting done for you, the American people.
58:41Elon MuskSo the reforms that we're getting done in D.C. thanks to President Trump and his great team,
58:55Elon MuskAre really profound, really. The goal is very simple. It's to restore merit and freedom. So that's what it comes down to. So America is the land of freedom and opportunity.
59:15Elon MuskSo we want to restore individual freedoms, freedom of speech, just in general, get the government off your back. So. And then make sure that you succeed in the United States as a Function of your hard work and your talent and nothing else.
59:45Elon MuskSo these are really noble and important principles. And also. And I'll talk more about this all night, really, as long as you guys want to hear about it. But as you may have seen with stuff that we've posted on the doge.gov website and the DOGE handle on the X platform, there is a trend.
1:00:07Elon MuskTremendous amount of waste and fraud in the federal government. Like, shocking. Really. It's insane. Yeah, it's really wild. So, like, I mean, it was inevitable that at least a few Soros operatives would be in the audience.
1:00:33Master of CeremoniesGive my regards to George.
1:00:35Elon MuskSay hi to George for me.
1:00:42Elon MuskUsa. Usa. Usa. Usa.
1:00:49Audience MemberYep.
1:00:51Elon MuskI mean, it was inevitable. I was waiting for that one. So, I mean. I mean. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, guys.
1:01:02ModeratorYeah.
1:01:03Elon MuskI mean, I mean, isn't it shocking how much violence and hatred is coming from the left? I mean, isn't this supposed. Isn't it supposed to be the party they claim to be, the party of empathy?
1:01:19Elon MuskAnd yet they're burning. They're burning Teslas and shooting up dealerships and corporations for the death of the president. And me, I'm like, guys, you know, this is insane. Like, they're gone psycho.
1:01:33Elon MuskI mean, it's really, like, I totally understand if somebody doesn't want to buy a product. Yeah. It's up to you. It's free country, you know, but you
1:01:41Master of Ceremoniesdon't have to burn it down.
1:01:43Elon MuskOkay, but much. That's somebody else's car. Leave it alone. Thanks, guys.
1:01:58Elon MuskYeah. So, man, the derangement level on the left is just like. It's blown my mind, frankly. I mean, I'm like, what is going on? They've just lost it. Next level.
1:02:08Elon MuskI'm like. It's like, whoa. And I sort of wonder what's. You know, the legacy media is in part to blame for this and maybe primarily to blame for this because, you know, it's really terrible.
1:02:22Elon MuskIt's like, if they keep calling, you know, they've called the. Obviously called President Trump every name in the book. You know, I think there's one article that called the president worse than Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin combined.
1:02:34Elon MuskI'm like, actually, President Trump's not killed anyone. In fact, he's very good at stopping wars, not starting them.
1:02:49Elon MuskSo, you know, we're really very different. Maybe we need to add some more history lessons back in schools. I don't know if people understand, you know, what the difference.
1:03:01Elon MuskDo they know what Hitler was leading us on? It seems they don't. I mean, it's just indicative of the poor quality of education. Pushback. The National Department of Education.
1:03:13Elon MuskSo, you know, that's why we want to restore freedom to the states. To let the states decide on the educational agenda and not have something pushed by a bunch of neo Marxists in D.C.
1:03:33Elon MuskI mean, it is astounding how much anti American product propaganda is pushed on kids today in schools. It's mind blowing. It's like, what the hell's going on? You know, so anyway, but on a more positive note, we have this petition, you know, sort of against activist judges because judges should be simply interpreting the law, not making the law.
1:04:06Elon MuskSo in appreciation for the support of people in signing this petition against activist judges, we just want judges to be judges, you know, which is a reasonable thing to ask for.
1:04:20Elon MuskAnd we're obviously, obviously seeing like some crazy stuff in D.C. where, you know, it seems like the, it's like any federal judge can stop any action by the president, you know, of the United States.
1:04:37Elon MuskThis is insane. Like we, we. This, this has got to stop. It's got to stop it at the federal level and at the state level. But let me first hand out two one million dollar checks in appreciation.
1:04:59Elon MuskOkay. The first check goes to Nicholas Jacobs.
1:05:10PerformerAll right.
1:05:21Elon MuskI should say that the reason, you know, the reason for the checks is that it's, it's really just to get, get attention. It's like we need to get attention.
1:05:29Elon MuskAnd somewhat inevitably when I do these things, the, you know, the sort of. It causes the legacy media to like kind of lose their minds. And then they'll run it on every news channel.
1:05:45Elon MuskAnd I'm like, I couldn't pay them. It would cost like 10 times more or less, you know, to get the kind of coverage that we get, so.
1:05:55PerformerAll right,
1:06:09PerformerThank you.
1:06:10Elon MuskAll right. All right. We can just, I guess, take it if you want. I think we'll get your real one too, so. And then the second one, second one is to Ekaterina Diesler.
1:06:31Elon MuskLet's see. Hopefully here.
1:06:41PerformerSo.
1:06:44Elon MuskWell, and you know, like I said, this is just helpful for getting attention. And then like, it's, it's kind of fun to see the legacy media lose their minds over it too.
1:06:53Elon MuskSo. Love you too. So,
1:07:00Guest Speakeryeah,
1:07:03Elon Muskso let's see. Hello.
1:07:10Elon MuskThank you. Congratulations.
1:07:11PerformerThank you.
1:07:13Audience MemberAll right.
1:07:19Elon MuskAll right. Congratulations.
1:07:29Elon MuskAll right, so we're also going to be announcing, we are announcing now a. A program, sort of a get out the vote program that the web page should be going live, I think around now, which is at the America PAC website or just go to the America PAC X account.
1:07:51Elon MuskAnd the single biggest challenge, I think, is actually just making people aware that there is this very important election. And there's both the very important election for Judge Schimmel, as well as the deciding on adding voter ID to the Wisconsin Constitution, which is very, very important.
1:08:15Elon MuskSo it's really. It's quite shocking that, I mean, you can sort of tell where voter fraud is happening, where they ban id. You know, like, why would you ban id?
1:08:28Elon MuskLike, in New York and California, it's, like, illegal to show ID at an election. Well, why would. I can't imagine why that would be the case. So two really important things is really just ensure judicial integrity on Tuesday, and then the voter ID thing.
1:08:51Elon MuskAnd, you know, it's April Fool's Day, so. And it is. It's like, I think most people aren't aware. Like I said, most people aren't aware that there is this important election.
1:09:05Elon MuskMost people don't even know that there's an election at all. And. Or if they do, they aren't sure exactly when and where it is, and they aren't sure yet of.
1:09:14Elon MuskThey don't realize just how important it is. They think it's. Well, it's just, you know, you know, some kind of judicial thing that's not that important. But it actually, what they're doing.
1:09:24Elon MuskWhat's happening on Tuesday is a vote for the. Which party controls the U.S. house of Representatives. That is why it is so significant. And whichever party controls the House, you know, to a significant degree, controls the country, which then steers the course of Western civilization.
1:09:45Elon MuskSo it's like, I feel like this is one of those things that may not seem that it's going to affect the entire destiny of humanity, but I think it will.
1:09:56Guest SpeakerYeah.
1:09:57Elon MuskSo.
1:10:04Elon MuskIt's a super big deal. And the fact that I'm here in person, like, I'm not phoning it in, I'm here in person and they're. Yeah.
1:10:23Elon MuskAnd there were quite a few death threats, I have to tell you. I was like, my security team said, well, it's actually gone down from yesterday to today. Went down from 18,000 to 17,000.
1:10:35Elon MuskSo I'm like, oh, maybe. Maybe it's getting better. You know, but you can see, like, how crazy some of these people are. You know, look at the two sort of people that tried to assassinate President Trump.
1:10:49Elon MuskYou know, I mean, that was. And what. You know, they both almost succeeded. So it's real. Like, it's not like some imaginary thing. So, anyway, so what we're announcing is kind of like a blockchain captain program where somebody can sign up to knock on doors in their zip code and encourage people to, well, make people aware that there is a vote and then aware of how important the vote is.
1:11:18Elon MuskSo you can sign up to be kind of a block captain for your zip code on the America PAC website right now. Yeah. And if you do, it's like basically 20 bucks for just taking a photo with somebody.
1:11:32Elon MuskIt's pretty straightforward. Just knock on doors in your neighborhood and give them either a digital or a paper picture of justice. Brad Schimmel. It can be an approximation. It doesn't have to be exact.
1:11:50Elon MuskAnd they just have to say thumbs up and hold a picture of Judge Schimmel and that's it. And you get $20 sounds. It's pretty easy. Easy money.
1:11:59ModeratorSo.
1:12:02Elon MuskBut the whole point of it is just to make people aware of the election and say that there is an election, it's on Tuesday and it's super important. Please vote.
1:12:22Elon MuskBut I think without something like this, we actually are in serious danger of losing the election. This is very important to put in mind. If you look at the betting market odds, so if you look at sort of the polymarket or culture, like the betting markets, it varies between 85% and 90% probability of loss for justice.
1:12:44Elon MuskThat's the current situation. So we got to pull a rabbit
1:12:48Moderatorout of the hat.
1:12:49Elon MuskNext level. Level, we actually got to have a steady stream of rabbits out of the hat. Like it's an arc of rabbits flying through the air and landing in a boning booth.
1:13:01Elon MuskInteresting picture. Grok could probably make that picture. So that's basically what's needed is we need to generate an anomaly in the matrix. And because I think there's currently The Dems are 100,000 votes ahead.
1:13:22Elon MuskBut actually if the people that voted for President Trump simply vote on Tuesday, we will win. That's actually all it takes. Just vote, boom, done victory. So.
1:13:41Elon MuskWe basically need to dragnet the state. It's like everybody's going to mobilize everywhere like crazy for the next 48 hours. And I think this will be important for the future of civilization.
1:13:56Elon MuskIt's that significant. So you don't hear me saying that very often. It's a big deal. So vote for Judge Super Judge Schimmel. I call him Super Judge Schimmel. So.
1:14:22Elon MuskLet's see. So with that, I think we can do some do Q and A. If you guys would like to do some Q and A. And I'm happy to answer any questions.
1:14:34Elon MuskIt could be, you know, about Doge or whatever you'd like to hear about. Because I think if you ask questions that the public would be interested in hearing, then those snippets will go all over the place and it will be helpful to the public at large and maybe even beyond, beyond our country.
1:15:12Elon MuskSo let's see. Yeah, go ahead. We can just start over there.
1:15:18Master of CeremoniesAs AI continues to get smarter, won't
1:15:20Elon Muskit inevitably see through its craters? Probably propaganda, yes. The question is, as AI gets smarter, will it see through its creators? Propaganda? I, I hope so. I think you can sort of think of an AI as it is somewhat nurtured by its creator.
1:15:42Elon MuskSo you have to say what, what is the operating principle? What, what is, what is the, what is the North Star of the AI? You know, if it's a somewhat corporate AI, it could be like it's just trying to make corporations happy.
1:15:57Elon MuskOr it could be, you know, if it's particularly some of the AIs that are trained in like the city of San Francisco, it's going to have kind of a San Francisco bias to it because you can think of like smart people as well.
1:16:09Elon MuskLike, you know, there are big differences in sort of beliefs among smart people. And so you can expect that there will be big differences in beliefs among AIs as well.
1:16:22Elon MuskWith Grok, our aspiration is a maximally truth seeking AI, which is like you always want to try to get as close to the truth as possible, even if the truth is unpopular.
1:16:33Elon MuskAnd that's, that's our goal, which I think is a very important goal.
1:16:44Elon MuskHey, nice shirt. Oh, thank you. First of all, path of exile for life.
1:16:48Master of CeremoniesBut more importantly, as we see the,
1:16:51Elon Muskthe whole world has turned to a fear based mobilization effort and we've seen that translate into violence and, and the
1:16:58Master of Ceremoniesright's not immune to it because it
1:17:00Elon Muskcan hit anybody's psychology. Sure.
1:17:02Master of CeremoniesHow do we beat that with optimism?
1:17:05Elon MuskBecause that's going to be crucial to avoid mass eruption of conflict.
1:17:08ModeratorConflict.
1:17:10Guest SpeakerYeah.
1:17:10Elon MuskI mean there does seem to be, you're right that the, the, the right is not immune from sort of hate and violence. It's not like nothing. But it, it does seem weirdly heavily weighted towards the left.
1:17:24Elon MuskI mean like I haven't seen anyone tearing off like a, a Biden Harris hat. Like we're just like, you feel a bit sorry for them, like, oh, maybe they're so wrong there, you know, but you see people tearing off MAGA hats and somebody just, you know, I saw a video just as just today where somebody was just on an escalator, woman was on an escalator wearing a MAGA hat and someone going the other direction tore the hat off her head.
1:17:48Elon MuskI'm like, that's rude. You know. So in fact, I sort of find myself in a strange position because I didn't think of myself as right, I thought of myself as centrist.
1:18:02Elon MuskBut then the left went all the other way in the other direction and now everyone's a Nazi, you know, before you know it. And I'm like, wait a second, do you know what that means?
1:18:13Elon MuskObviously not so. But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I believe in peaceful discourse and that, you know, we make arguments and the people decide which way they want to go, but we don't engage in sort of shouting people down or violence or burning things or shooting things.
1:18:40Elon MuskThat's how democracy is supposed to work, is peaceful discourse.
1:18:51Elon MuskMy question is about usaid. Has the Doge team found any evidence
1:18:56Moderatorthat any of the radical left Democrats
1:18:59Elon Musklike Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer have received money directly from usaid? And if so, will we be hearing about that evidence anytime soon? Yeah, so there is a massive amount of corruption, but it is circuitous.
1:19:22Elon MuskSo what happens is there's money that obviously it's your taxpayer money that is then sent to various government organizations who then send it to NGOs, which. An NGO is a non governmental organization, but obviously if it's a government funded non governmental organization, it's just an organization.
1:19:39Elon MuskIt's just a government. And effectively there's a giant fraud loophole which is that the government can send money to an NGO that is then no longer governed by the law, laws of the United States.
1:19:52Elon MuskSo they'll send the money overseas to one ngo, then they'll go through a bunch of, bunch of them. And then I'm highly confident that a bunch of that money then comes back to the United States and lands in the pockets of the people you just mentioned.
1:20:05Elon MuskBut it is a circuitous route. It's not like it doesn't go directly, but let's just say that there's a lot of strangely wealthy members of Congress where I just can't.
1:20:20Elon MuskI'm trying to connect the dots of how do they become rich while earning, how they get 20 million if they're earning 200,000 a year sounds. That's how nobody can explain that.
1:20:35Elon MuskSo something's. Yeah, we're going to try to figure it out and certainly stop it from happening. So,
1:20:50Elon MuskYeah, I mean, just in general, the whole NGO scam is just crazy and yeah, it's blown my mind really. So yeah, Most of us here are aware of social media censorship and I know you're keenly aware of it.
1:21:13Elon MuskThank you for turning around X. Awesome, welcome.
1:21:21Elon MuskAs censorship picks up in financial institutions, what can we do about that? Are you referring to offering financial services via X? No, sorry. Being kicked off of financial beliefs.
1:21:36Elon MuskYeah, yeah, well, certainly that won't happen during the Trump administration.
1:21:46Elon MuskHopefully that can be enshrined in law, which is part of the reason why we need a Republican Congress. So you didn't see any Republicans kicking Democrats out and debanking Democrats, but there were a lot of Republicans that were debanked.
1:22:00Elon MuskThousands, which is really outrageous. So I think it does seem kind of one sided, you know, this like trying to ruin people's lives and financially and violent protests overwhelmingly is coming from the left these days.
1:22:18Elon MuskYou know, it's like. And whereas the right is polite, you know, and fair as far as I can tell. So yeah, go ahead.
1:22:32Audience MemberThank you for being here. Your comment kind of about the Matrix is kind of ironic because my husband and I watched first the first Matrix and the sequel yesterday.
1:22:44Audience MemberMy question is, when so much of social media nowadays, you know, whether it be X or YouTube or whatever, is kind of curated to like your person's particular beliefs or even where we have protesters that show up to town halls or potentially are paid, how do you.
1:23:12Audience MemberDoes America kind of come. Come together? And it used to be where you could have a conversation and have discourse like you discussed and still be friends, even if you disagreed with kind of some of their statements.
1:23:28Audience MemberWhen you talk about knocking on doors, like to different people's house, like one kind of fear that I have is like, even if you talk to somebody, everybody has their own sets of beliefs and their own truth.
1:23:41Audience MemberSo I guess how do you get through that?
1:23:44Elon MuskYeah, well, I think what we saw there for quite a while was that all of the legacy media and all of the new social media were in lockstep together and they were all parroting the same left wing talking points and they were suppressing any dissent and any so called right wing or frankly even centrist views.
1:24:06Elon MuskAnd that's why I felt it was critical to acquire Twitter now X in order to enable that dialogue. So it's certainly a step in the right direction. And I think you've seen now once X was willing to break ranks and not censor Republicans, then you saw others also start to move in that direction.
1:24:36Elon MuskYou know, it looks like, for example, Facebook and Meta, you know. Yeah, is they have. Certainly Mark Zuckerberg has stated that they will be doing sort of community notes based on the community notes of the X platform and as opposed to having sort of far left censorship bureau, the sort of, you know, the woke Stasi essentially reviewing things.
1:25:05Elon MuskSo that's a step in the right direction. You know, there's some, maybe some Hope for the CNNs of the world. It's like with Scott being on there, he's great, you know, he's like.
1:25:20Elon MuskBut I mean, I'm sort of hopeful that things will, that are moving in, in the direction where different points of view are espoused on or you know, heard on legacy media and social media.
1:25:35Elon MuskSo I guess maybe I'm actually a little bit optimistic about the future and you know, on the X platform, you know, we don't prioritize, you know, one side or the other.
1:25:48Elon MuskWe try to be as fair as possible. And I will reply to, you know, prominent Democrats even if they sort of say terrible things about me. So, you know, it's like, yeah, we should have this discourse.
1:26:04Elon MuskAnd so I kind of think at least on the media front things are going a good direction. But on the, but I am kind of perturbed by the sort of how aggressive these protests are, you know, where it's, it's like, you know, there are people at these protests calling for the death of the president and death of me and I don't know, probably death of others.
1:26:32Elon MuskYou know, that's the kind of thing that's not, not cool. You know, at the risk of saying something outrageous, calling for murder is not cool. Yeah. So.
1:26:53Elon MuskThanks for coming, Elon. I'm a teacher by trade. I have gone through the four year bachelor degree to teach the nation's youth. Going forward on that, actually I'm kind of curious.
1:27:08Elon MuskWhat was that like? Yeah, I got an English degree, man. At the end of the day, unless you want to hire me, that's about, you know, that's. So during teacher college they give us a heat map and it says these are the cost per head on each student.
1:27:28Elon MuskThe south Southeast is generally the worst, but they're also generally the lowest spent per capita each student beyond just that correlation of the one text I got in an education class.
1:27:43Elon MuskI wonder with your investments in Khan Academy, with the advancement of AI educational tools, where specifically you can get feedback and these students can get feedback? Yeah, absolutely. Where do we see 100 years from now with all man, 100 years from now?
1:28:01ModeratorAbout 50.
1:28:02Elon MuskI hope we last 100 years. I'd be like, jackpot, you know. Yeah, exactly.
1:28:07ModeratorHopefully. Hopefully.
1:28:09Elon MuskWe were like on Mars, you Know, so that would be really cool. So I do think AI can be incredibly helpful in teaching because you can, you can essentially set up each kid with like a personalized AI and that, that AI can then answer questions for each kid.
1:28:30Elon MuskAnd that actually can be very profound in learning because obviously if you got a classroom of say 25, 30 kids, you can't like spend. It's literally impossible to spend time with every kid individually, or at least you can spend a little bit of time, but not Obviously it's a 1 to 20:1 to 30 ratio.
1:28:51Elon MuskBut what you can do is you can set them up with the AI and then you can, you know, if things get stuck or whatever, if you want to, you can essentially guide the orchestra that way.
1:29:02Elon MuskAnd I think it could be a very powerful learning tool. You know, I personally enjoyed my English classes in high school. Actually, you know, they. Sometimes I wondered why am I reading Charles Dickens.
1:29:13Elon MuskBut you know, there's some merit to reading Dickens and many of the. I actually think that we should have a great canon of, of English literature that kids do, at least, you know, some number of the significant works in the English language.
1:29:31Elon MuskSo.
1:29:37Elon MuskI mean, this. Yeah, it seems like very obvious to me, but yeah. And another thing with regard to teaching is that I think teaching is a very important profession.
1:29:49Elon MuskIf you look at the expenditures, there's a very big rise in the number of administrators, but not a very big rise in the number of teachers. And so that's really the big factor, which is we should have more actual teachers.
1:30:06Elon MuskAnd I believe in paying teachers well and having a lot of teachers. But we should say why do we have so many administrators or non teachers? So administrative expense has gone ballistic, but teaching expense is more or less flat.
1:30:20Elon MuskDoesn't make sense. So first I would like to apologize to you on behalf of America for the idiots you have to deal with for what you're doing for us to improve our country.
1:30:32Elon MuskSecond of all, my question is what is your opinion on the Federal Reserve and do you have any intentions of doing any, anything with them and the Fed?
1:30:46Elon MuskYeah, I don't know. I always wanted to say that, you know, but, but I mean, I think there's like 20,000 people that work at the Fed. Seems pretty high.
1:30:56Elon MuskThere's a lot of people who work at the Fed on this. Things like why do we have so many people at this, at the Fed and what do they do?
1:31:01Elon MuskAnd you know, sometimes I wonder which one would win, you know, the federal for interest rates, the board of the Federal Reserve or a Magic 8 ball and I'm like, I think the Magic 8 ball might win.
1:31:17Elon MuskYou know, so then I'm like, well, Magic 8 ball is a lot cheaper. So, you know, it's like, you shake it, it says, check back again later. I'm like, okay, same thing.
1:31:36Elon MuskBut I think what really matters is that government spending is not far in excess of government revenue. That's a fundamental issue that we have where we have a deficit of $2 trillion and we have interest payments that now exceed the entire budget of the military.
1:32:00Elon MuskIn fact, that was a big wake up call for me was when the amount of money that we pay in national debt interest exceeded the Defense Department budget. I'm like, defense Department budget is very big and interest is higher than that and climbing.
1:32:16Elon MuskThat's a disaster. So the very simple, straightforward goal of, of the DOGE team is to get rid of waste and forward. It's mostly waste. It's, it's, or depending on how I'd say it's probably 80% waste, 20% forward, something like that.
1:32:33Elon MuskBut it's a trillion dollars, so that's still a lot. And it's, it's, you know, it's got a, you know, it's got to be.
1:32:49Audience MemberWe got the.
1:32:49Elon MuskAnother Soros sleeper agent there.
1:33:02Elon MuskUsa. Usa. Usa. Usa.
1:33:11Elon MuskSo I mean, to be clear, the very simple thing we're doing and we post everything publicly on the DOGE website, which is just to look at every expense and say, is this actually a good use of your taxpayer dollars?
1:33:29Elon MuskThat's it. It's not super complicated. And the thing that's pretty, well, this is what, why say, like, you know, I used to be a Democrat, like, and so, like, and if you listen to the speeches of Clinton and gore in the 90s when they were going on about reducing waste and fraud, literally, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if, like, who said it, Doge or Clinton?
1:33:57Elon MuskGore? You can't even tell the difference. Sounds exactly the same. It's wild. So really just trying to restore common sense to government and say, like, let's not waste your money and let's make sure it's spent well, and that's it.
1:34:13Elon MuskAnd trying to save a trillion dollars of expenditures. What we're saying is of the 7 trillion in government spending, let's try to see, let's see if we can make it 15%, 1 5% more efficient.
1:34:28Elon MuskAnd I'm confident that we can. That's actually not a huge bar, by the way, so.
1:34:42Elon MuskAnd when you see the, when you see the crazy things that the Government is spending money on. You can see a list of some of them. You know, like, I don't know if we should be spending money on transgender comic books in Peru.
1:34:54Elon MuskThat doesn't seem like an ideal thing to spend your money on. You know, why would we do that? If somebody in Peru wants to do that of their own accord, that's fine, but it should be your money that does it.
1:35:07Elon MuskSo it's. It just. And, you know, we shouldn't be paying rent on empty buildings. And, you know, if people. If I do think there is a role for government, but we just need to make sure.
1:35:18Elon MuskWe're just going to. We're just going through and saying and doing what I would call like an. An excellent and necessary and reasonably trusted review of organizations and personnel.
1:35:32Elon MuskSo is this person doing a good job?
1:35:34ModeratorGreat.
1:35:35Elon MuskIs the role necessary? If so, that's good. And are they reasonably trusted, meaning they're not a psycho? Like, we're not talking about, like, political affiliation, just that they're not crazy.
1:35:47Elon MuskSo, you know, what's wrong with that? I'm like, sounds super normal to me. So that's it. Now, in this process, one of the things that we've discovered, which is I think on the fraud side, which is a really big deal, is that the Democrat administration, Biden administration, have has basically taken every arm of the US Government and bent it towards creating a financial incentive for illegal immigrants to come to the United States.
1:36:27Elon MuskNow, this is every part of the government, so like, Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, disability, even the irs. So you can, like, fill out a fake tax return and say you need a.
1:36:42Elon MuskMaybe I shouldn't tell people this, but it'll actually work. I mean, mostly there's some chance you'll get caught, but if you fill out a fake tax return, you can just get a tax refund, even though if you didn't pay taxes.
1:36:53Elon MuskSo we're trying to stop all these things, say, like, okay, well, let's stop the waste and fraud. And we also need to turn off the massive financial incentive for illegals to come to the United States and stay in the United States.
1:37:07Elon MuskAnd this is really the thing that is causing the Democrats to lose their mind, because they're actually spending, at this point, tens of billions to attract and retain illegals in the United States.
1:37:20Elon MuskIt's really on that scale. It's a gigantic number. And the goal is to turn all the swing states blue. That means Wisconsin. So that's the goal. So with the asylum program, they can get a green card within a year.
1:37:40Elon MuskAnd Then they can get citizenship as quickly as four years after getting a green card, because the first year of being asylum, being asylum counts for the five year citizenship waiting period.
1:37:52Elon MuskSo this is a very big deal. So a number of friends of mine have actually join the government in order to help with this process. And I'd like to welcome my friend Antonio.
1:38:06Elon MuskGracias. To the stage.
1:38:18Elon MuskDoes it work? I can give you mine.
1:38:21Audience MemberDoes it work?
1:38:25Elon MuskIt'll be okay. I mean, Buzz Aldrin's still alive and he went past the belt.
1:38:31ModeratorIs this working? Yeah, it's not.
1:38:34Elon MuskSo, Antonio, can you tell us what you. Antonio's helping out with the Social Security. So just trying to review Social Security where you may have heard that we found 20 million dead people marked as alive in the Social Security database.
1:38:51Elon MuskThis is so crazy. And then you'll notice there's a strange trend here where how many Social Security numbers were issued? It's. Do you want to.
1:39:05ModeratorYeah. So let me. Let me tell what happened here. We started at the top of the system. We started at the top of the system, mapping the whole system of Social Security to understand where all the fraud was.
1:39:15ModeratorAnd there's a lot of great people there. That so showed us really a lot of waste. And so that came up with a big list of stuff they're working on.
1:39:22ModeratorYou've heard some of that already, but this is what jumped out at us. When we saw these numbers, we were like, what is this? In 21, you see 270,000 people goes all the way to 2.1 million, 24.
1:39:34ModeratorThese are non citizens that are getting Social Security numbers.
1:39:39Elon MuskYeah. This is a mind blowing chart.
1:39:41ModeratorYeah. Just this literally blew us away. Like we went there to find fraud and we found this by accident. And this isn't political, by the way. My parents, immigrants.
1:39:54ModeratorYeah. This country's been great to us. My brother and sister, all born in Spain. I'm pro legal immigration. This is not political. This is not political. This is about America and the future of America.
1:40:07ModeratorAnd there are a lot of good people in the system that pointed us in this direction. I want to honor them right now that work in the government today who took risks to show us these numbers and tell us what's going on.
1:40:17ModeratorI want to stop for a minute. I want to. I want to honor those people today. Very good people. Very good people. I have been from D.C. to Social Security offices to the border to track this down.
1:40:30ModeratorAnd very good people have helped us along the way. I want to thank them.
1:40:33Elon MuskYeah.
1:40:34ModeratorThis number, what this is, is when you come in the country, if you're any legal, there's a couple ways to come in. You come in through a port of entry, and you can tell them you're afraid, and you'll get.
1:40:43ModeratorThey'll give you an asylum case, you'll get an interview, then you get in. That's one way to do it. Another way to do it is to just go to the border.
1:40:51ModeratorLiterally. This happened. I talked to border patrol myself. Elon was there too. I went to Laredo and I went to Bronzeville. Elon went to Eagle Pass. You walk up to a border patrol officer and you tell them you want to come in, they have a couple of choices.
1:41:05ModeratorThey could charge you with a misdemeanor or a felony under 1325, or they can make it an administrative offense like a parking ticket. Basically, they were told to do that.
1:41:14ModeratorMake an administrative offense under the last administration, and you walk across the border. They do what's called a release from your own recognizance. And they give you an NTA notice to appear, which to appear to judge.
1:41:26ModeratorThe wait times on judges are like average six years. Look at Grok. You'll see it on immigration judges. There's only 700 of them. This is 5.5 million people. Okay, so what happens then once you're in the country and you got asylum through one of these pathways and we've mapped the whole thing out.
1:41:43ModeratorYou can apply for a work document. You file a765. It's the work form. You get this form called the 766. That's the authorization. And then Social Security administration automatically sends you in the mail your solicitor number.
1:41:59ModeratorNo interview, no id.
1:42:01Elon MuskThis is worth, like just reiterating. It's not that. It's not. People sometimes think that under the Biden administration that he was simply asleep at the switch. He wasn't asleep.
1:42:10Elon MuskThey weren't asleep at the switch. It was a massive, large scale program to import as many illegals as possible, ultimately to change the entire voting map of the United States and disenfranchise the American people and make it a permanent deep blue one party state from which there would be no escape.
1:42:28ModeratorLook, if I hadn't seen this myself, I'm not sure I'd have believed it. I went through it myself and mapped it, and Elon is right. This is true. The defaults in the system from Social Security to all of the benefit programs have been set to max inclusion, max pay for these people and minimum collection.
1:42:43ModeratorThat's what's happening. We found 1.3 million of them already on Medicaid as an example, we've gone through. On every benefit program we went through, we found groups from this particular group of people, this 5.5 million people in those benefit programs.
1:42:57ModeratorAnd then what was really, really disturbing us was why? We're asking ourselves why? And so we actually just took a sample and looked at voter registration records, and we found people here registered to vote in this population.
1:43:10ModeratorYes.
1:43:11Elon MuskAnd who did vote.
1:43:11ModeratorAnd we found some by sampling that actually did vote. And we have referred them to prosecution at the Home Ed Security Investigation Service.
1:43:19Elon MuskYeah, already.
1:43:20ModeratorAlready. That is already happening right now. Yeah. And the truly disturbing thing, though, I just want you to know this. A truly disturbing thing to me, and the darkest thing about this, to me, the voter fraud is terrible, but the human tragedy this created is extraordinary.
1:43:40ModeratorBecause what you don't understand, people don't know, and Americans need to know, that's why I'm here, is that human traffickers made 13 to 15 billion dollars off of this.
1:43:49ModeratorOkay? That's the money that's going around the world, moving people around the world to our borders because of these incentives. How does it work? What happens? Hey, if you're in Africa and you're in Central America, you got to walk up through Mexico, through Venice.
1:44:01ModeratorWho do you pay? You pay the narcos, you pay the traffickers, Right? And we found, we were told by ICE, it's between 20,000 and. And 500 bucks, depends. They pick you up to walk across all those countries and get all the way up to the border.
1:44:14ModeratorWhere's that money goes? It goes to the cartels, it goes to human traffickers. Right? There are 30,000 children that have not appeared on the notice to appear already. ICE knows this.
1:44:26Moderator30,000 children, 270,000 children didn't even get notices to appear. ICE told us that kids are being trafficked back and forth across the border to complete families, to make this easier.
1:44:38ModeratorThis is a human tragedy. It's not just the money. It's the people and the kids. And how many people died on the way up here that didn't make it in?
1:44:47ModeratorWhat happened to them? We created this system here that created a descendant for people to come and be taken advantage of by these traffickers. And how do you think it paid?
1:44:58ModeratorWell, you're in Africa, Central America, you got $20,000 or $10,000 or $5,000 to police traffickers? No, you don't. What happens? You come in, then you owe them the money.
1:45:07ModeratorHe's your indentured servant. If you don't Pay them. What happens? What do they do? They kill your mother, they kill your brother, they kill your family. What happens next?
1:45:16ModeratorThat's what we discovered. And I have to tell you, it was. It's tragic. To me, the tragedy, the human tragedy this created is extraordinary. That's the real problem. This is America.
1:45:27ModeratorWe don't do this here in America. Yeah, we don't do this here in America. People come here legally, and that's great. Elon came here legally. My parents came here legally.
1:45:40ModeratorThat's the way to do it. This is outrageous.
1:45:47Elon MuskYeah, it's pretty wild. I mean, you can see because there's still actually a lot of people out there, especially in the sort of center third of the country, that somehow think this is made up by the right or it's like some fiction that it's somehow not true, but it is absolutely true.
1:46:06Elon MuskAnd you can see that if you look at things like the state of New York, which tried to make it legal for illegal immigrants to vote in the state of New York, that was only shut down by the New York Supreme Court a few weeks ago.
1:46:24Elon MuskAnd California has made it health care available to all illegals in the state. And they initially claimed that it would only cost 3 billion. It's now 9 billion and climbing.
1:46:36Elon MuskSo it's really. If you create a massive financial incentive for people to come to the United States illegally, then that's what they will do. It's. It's a very sort of stranger.
1:46:49Elon MuskIt'd be odd if that didn't happen. So the thing that actually has the Democrats losing their mind, by far the real reason for these attacks and sort of the burning of the cars and everything is that we're going to turn off the payments to illegals.
1:47:18Elon MuskBecause. Yeah, I mean, because that's not the deal. You know, it's. You know, it's not. It's not simply not right. And, you know, if you look at that thing with the Roosevelt Hotel and like, you know, the luxury hotels in New York where the Federal Emergency Management Agency funds were being used to house illegals in luxury hotels in New York that the average American can't afford, and they were given a welcome package and $10,000 debit cards and everything else, like, it's super real.
1:47:56Elon MuskI mean, it's like in my. I think it's the biggest voter fraud thing in history by far. And moreover, if left unchecked, it would have succeeded. As Antonio mentioned, the time frame for going from asylum to citizen is roughly five years.
1:48:23Elon MuskAnd so all of the people that came in on that chart that you saw, if the machine behind the Kamala puppet had won, then, you know, they change out the puppet, but it's the same machine, then they would have actually legalized all those people and there would be no swing states.
1:48:45ModeratorAnd they added more. Remember, it was doubling every year.
1:48:47Elon MuskYes.
1:48:48ModeratorIt went from 1 million.
1:48:48Elon MuskIt was going ballistic.
1:48:50ModeratorGoing ballistic. And it is, it is just. These people are just entering the benefit programs now, by the way. Right. We're seeing the ramp happen too. And these are just the ones that are in the system.
1:48:59ModeratorThis doesn't count. The other, you know, seven and a half, eight million that ICE thinks are out there. We don't know if they have numbers. The number is totally uncontrolled.
1:49:06ModeratorThe voter ID requirement in this state is super important because of this.
1:49:09Elon MuskYes.
1:49:10ModeratorBecause the Social Security number, it's not supposed to be a federal ID number, but basically is. That's how you access all the benefits. This is why we need voter id, because this thing is not secure.
1:49:20ModeratorYou could walk into a Social Security office today to today as an adult in America and get a Social Security number enumerated with simply answering six or seven simple questions and showing some forms of ID that are not federal id.
1:49:33Elon MuskWell, you could just actually make it up. You can show basically like a fake utility bill or, you know, a medical
1:49:42Moderatorbill and a school id.
1:49:43Elon MuskYeah, medical bill and a school id. And you can get a Social Security number. And then from there you get on the voter rolls and then basically Dem operatives will form the vote.
1:49:52ModeratorYes.
1:49:54Elon MuskSo, you know, the problem with this, obviously is that if you turn the swing states blue, then there are no swing states. And then we're in a permanent one party system.
1:50:04Elon MuskAnd as soon as they win that, they'll have the House, the Senate, the presidency, they'll pack the Supreme Court, then they'll double down on the illegals, just like California.
1:50:15Elon MuskSo we've already seen this happen in California. California is super majority Dem. So. But at least California is held back by the fact that people can move out of state.
1:50:29Elon MuskOnce you can no longer leave America, it will be far worse than California. So the gravity of the situation is severe. Yes, absolutely. So, I mean, it's really simple stuff.
1:50:50Elon MuskJust, you know, having, you know, photo ID to vote is like you can't like, buy something at the liquor store. But voting is a lot is more important than, you know, buying a beer.
1:51:02ModeratorSo you're gonna need a real id. Get an airplane. Yeah, yeah.
1:51:04Elon MuskYou can't fly anywhere. Yeah. And like the same people who said, who are Saying that there should be no voter ID at voting stations, demanded vaccine ID from everyone.
1:51:16ModeratorYeah.
1:51:17Elon MuskI'm like, that's weird. You know, so it's really about just restoring integrity to the voting system, which really should not be a right or left cause, but a cause for all is do we not all want integrity in the voting system?
1:51:36Elon MuskOf course we do.
1:51:37ModeratorYes. Of course. Yes.
1:51:39Elon MuskSo.
1:51:46Elon MuskSo. So you're welcome to hang out and see maybe some questions, people. Let's see.
1:51:52ModeratorWe'll.
1:51:53Elon MuskWe'll go.
1:51:53Audience MemberHi, Elon. I also am a teacher. I was a teacher in Colorado for eight years. Years, high school Spanish. But I moved here last year and got to vote in Wisconsin, where my vote actually mattered.
1:52:09Audience MemberAnd I'm so glad. That was amazing that we got Trump elected.
1:52:12Elon MuskYeah.
1:52:18Audience MemberAnd I was listening to. I believe it was Patrick bet David. He called this perfectly where he said, when Elon, or when. When Trump gets elected, he's going to go from enemy number one to.
1:52:33Audience MemberElon's going to be number number one. And for the reason, I mean, he only has a couple years left, and we've all seen the. The left go after you and make you number one enemy.
1:52:48Audience MemberAnd just walking in here, we heard Nazis suck. There's all this horrible, horrible thing. And just on a. On a serious note, I just want to let you know, my wife and I pray for you at night.
1:52:59Elon MuskThank you for your safety.
1:53:10ModeratorThank you.
1:53:11Master of CeremoniesI got.
1:53:11Elon MuskI gotta wash my hand gestures these days, you know, But I think this one's safe, you know? You know, it's like, can't wave to the crowd. You don't know what will happen.
1:53:25Audience MemberAnd I've been a fan of yours for like a decade, and I've been a walking Tesla ad to anybody who talks to me, even though I never had a Tesla until I came to Wisconsin, too.
1:53:36Audience MemberAnd it's 10 years old, but it's the best Model S I've ever had.
1:53:40Elon MuskThank you.
1:53:41Audience MemberIt's incredible.
1:53:42Elon MuskThank you.
1:53:43Audience MemberBut I just wanted to ask you if it would be okay I brought my dad with me. He's a pastor. And I just thought if it's okay with you, I would love for him to say a prayer for you as well, for your protection.
1:53:57Elon MuskThank you,
1:54:05Audience MemberElon. Well, thank you so much for everything you've done for our country. We. We do love you very much.
1:54:11Elon MuskThank you.
1:54:14Audience MemberAnd as a pastor, but just as a person. Right. And even if I wasn't a Christian, and I know not everyone here is a Christian, but I think there's quite a few of you Here who are.
1:54:26Audience MemberEither way, we love all people. That's not the issue. The issue is fairness. What you're talking about, the issue being just. Just and the justice being a weapon instead of lawfare, instead of actually just.
1:54:43Audience MemberAnd all this corruption you're talking about. And that's a bad spirit, if you want to say it that way, putting it nicely. It's something evil that has come against our country, our morals, our families, et cetera.
1:54:59Audience MemberAnd then you and the President and. And others getting attacked with this outrage and this hate. So if you would allow me to pray.
1:55:09Elon MuskThank you.
1:55:09Audience MemberYou all who want to please join me, bow our heads and pray. Gracious Heavenly Father, we are thankful for our country. We are thankful that God does bless America and that God is the source of all goodness, love and provision.
1:55:27Audience MemberAnd that you, Lord God, have provided a great nation with a great history. And although we've gone through many rough times, you're still very present and active with us.
1:55:39Audience MemberThank you for protecting President Trump from that fatal attack. And we ask that you envelop and protect all of those who are fighting for justice, for free freedom, for order, for dignity, and to reward people according to merit.
1:56:00Audience MemberAnd especially put your hedge of protection around Elon Musk, around his children, around his whole entire family and all of his team members. That all would do good and just by our country and freedom, truly and justice would reign once again.
1:56:20Audience MemberWe ask this in the name of the blessed Saint, Savior Jesus Christ, who we remember during this time of year, who suffered and died for our sins. May you wash away all that is wrong with our country and start with us.
1:56:34Audience MemberWe ask this in Jesus name. Amen.
1:56:37Elon MuskAmen. Thank you.
1:56:50Elon MuskThank you very much.
1:56:52ModeratorThank you. Sorry.
1:56:59Elon MuskUp to you. You can hang out if you want.
1:57:06Audience MemberWell, that was.
1:57:06Elon MuskThat was beautiful. That was beautiful. I think we're going to need divine protection, frankly.
1:57:12ModeratorYeah.
1:57:14Elon MuskHey, Elon, I'd like to start off by thanking you for all that you've done for our country and the world as a greater whole. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart as well.
1:57:24Elon MuskI have a question for you
1:57:27Guest Speakeras
1:57:27Elon Muskyou go about your decision making at Doge. How are you able to keep your moral North Star and not set precedents when it comes to overstepping democratic processes simply because the end justifies the means and have outcomes similar to the last election with Democratic presidential candidate being appointed without due process?
1:57:45Elon MuskThat just further polarizes the country. Also, on a side note, one more thing. Do you see a place in the long term for decentralized technology in Society and government.
1:57:57Elon MuskYeah, I mean, to answer the second question first, I think generally it's good to have decentralized systems because the more centralized something is, the more power that is in any one single entity, the more corruption you're likely to have.
1:58:15Elon MuskSo decentralization, I think, is good to minimize corruption. Then with respect to doge, I mean, as I said, we're trying to be as literal as possible. It just Department of Government Efficiency.
1:58:32Elon MuskAnd it's just literally going through and saying, okay, this money was spent. Is it money that most Americans would agree is sensible or is it not? And you know, if it doesn't seem sensible, then we, you know, say, well, we shouldn't spend that money anymore and we should, we should stop it.
1:58:53Elon MuskSo, and then we post, we try to be as transparent as possible. So all the Doge actions are posted on the doge.gov website and on the doge handle on X.
1:59:03Elon MuskSo if people disagree with something, we can say, well, which part do you disagree with? And when I get these sort of attacks of like, oh, it's unconstitutional, I mean, like, well, which expenditure is unconstitutional that we have stopped?
1:59:18Elon MuskBecause then they don't know, actually, because they haven't actually looked at anything. So now, obviously a lot of this can be reversed with a new administration, but at least for some period of time, we're going to make sure that your taxpayer money is spent at least 15% better.
1:59:37Elon MuskIt's not like a, you know, I think it's a reasonable goal, it's a rational goal, it's a sensible goal. And the net result, I should say, if we have the combination of trillion dollar increase in the economic output and a trillion dollar decrease in the budget deficit, then the outcome should be that there is no inflation or very little inflation from one year to the next.
2:00:05Elon MuskSo at the end of next year, the prices will be at the grocery store will be very similar to what they are right now, which means that, you know, standard living will actually probably be higher, a little bit higher.
2:00:21Elon MuskWhereas we've had rampant inflation to date, which inflation is really just a pernicious tax that has been used by governments throughout history. It's very tempting for governments to use inflation as a tax because it's indirect.
2:00:38Elon MuskPeople see the prices rising at the grocery store or, you know, for goods and services or for houses, and they tend to like, blame the store, but it's not the store, it's the government.
2:00:49Elon MuskThe government has reduced the value of money and as a result, prices rise. So by, you know, changing, by reducing waste and fraud will essentially make the economy more efficient and will shift people resources from the government to the private sector.
2:01:11Elon MuskAnd that will result in an increase in the output of goods and services. And so the average standard of living will therefore rise. So, like, they're trying to make economics sound very complicated, but it's really not that complicated.
2:01:27Elon MuskThe standard of living increases when the output of goods. Average output of goods and services increases per person. There's basically more stuff, therefore you have more stuff to divide across people.
2:01:41Elon MuskThat's it. You can run this sort of thought experiment and say, like, if there was 100 people on an island and you'd say, well, how many people do you want farming, fishing, making stuff, you know, versus, you know, doing regulations?
2:01:56Elon MuskYou would say, like, you wouldn't want like 20 people doing regulations. You know, be like, oh, that's too many. Well, then maybe want one or two. I don't know, maybe none.
2:02:07Elon MuskIdeally zero. I'm all for small government, by the way. I think. Really? Yeah.
2:02:21Elon MuskYou know, when the United States was. When the United States was formed, there were only. You had the Secretary of State, the Secretary of War, which I think is a more accurate name than Defense, but it was Secretary of War for a long time.
2:02:39Elon MuskAnd you had Secretary of the treasury and you had the Attorney General. That was it. And if it were entirely up to me, I'd be like, let's make it like that again.
2:02:52Elon MuskYeah.
2:02:57Elon MuskHowdy, gentlemen. Got a quick question regarding government and transparency. Do you think dogecoin may ever be used or the dogecoin blockchain to be used for maximum transparency? Well, the names are similar, but they're doing two very different things.
2:03:15Elon MuskSo, in fact, I was going to call it, like the Government Efficiency Commission, but that's a super boring name. And then the Internet said, no, it needs to be called the Department of Government Efficiency.
2:03:27Elon MuskI was like, well, Internet, that's. The Internet is right. So we changed the name from Government Efficiency Commission to Department of Government Efficiency, but there are no plans for the government to use dogecoin or anything as far as I know.
2:03:42Elon MuskSo they happen to be similar names, but really it's just. We're just literally trying to make the government 15% more efficient. It's kind of like. Like most of the work that's.
2:03:51Elon MuskThat's being done is. It's kind of like homework. It's not like it's. It's just. It's just work, you know, frankly, it's like washing the dishes. It's not like, you know, it's.
2:04:03Elon MuskIt's a Lot of it's not super fun work. It's just, you know, going through and looking at every expense and saying, why, you know, why does this department have like 10 times more software licenses than people?
2:04:18Elon MuskThat doesn't make sense. You know, why is the government spending $10 million a year on Politico subscriptions? That doesn't make sense. You know, like, there's just one thing after another like that.
2:04:31Elon MuskIt's like things that are just kind of. Kind of boring. It's like a ton of boring stuff. Like, you do hear about, like the. The sort of weird stuff that makes the headlines, but most of it, most of the costs that are being cut are just very basic boring things.
2:04:48Elon MuskIt's like homework at scale is what I'd call the Department of Government Efficiency.
2:04:54ModeratorCan I add something? This question about transparency, I'm really selling it here. Yeah. No, no, no. I would say the principles that you want to set out for debt doge are they begin with truth.
2:05:08ModeratorTruth. Find the truth, number one. Find the truth. Why? Because the government. Government's gotten so big that actually the people don't even know what's there. They don't know the source of truth.
2:05:21ModeratorSo these licenses, it's like people bought these licenses because they're bad people. And they wanted to pay Microsoft. They just kept buying licenses because Microsoft gets out on it.
2:05:28ModeratorI mean, it's just, it's that strange.
2:05:29Elon MuskAnd we don't pick on Microsoft. It's like every software company, by the
2:05:32Moderatorway, any software company, they bought these licenses because they just thought they should buy more licenses. More people coming in and there's no one there. People aren't coming back to the office.
2:05:40ModeratorRight. It's just finding truth. The number one principle is truth. And then transparency is number two, I think, on the list. Right. So find the truth, make it public, make it transparent.
2:05:50ModeratorAnd number three is, man, do it fast, make it efficient, and be urgent.
2:05:54Elon MuskYeah.
2:05:55ModeratorThose are the principles that Elon's put into those.
2:05:58Elon MuskYeah. It's worth pointing out, like, it's actually difficult to. You have to recalibrate how dumb things can be because it's the government. You know, frankly, it's like dumber than you think it could possibly be.
2:06:15Elon MuskSo, you know, like, for example, we found there were a whole bunch of what I call ghost payments going out where the government contracting officer had retired or, or changed jobs or dad or.
2:06:29Elon MuskI don't know, they were not around anymore and they forgot to turn off the payment stream to some company. And it's like leaving the money Faucet on and you leave the house and the money faucet keeps going.
2:06:42Elon MuskAnd it's a pretty rare organization that will complain about receiving money. So organizations. So then you're like, is that waste or fraud? I mean, the government did send them the money, but.
2:06:53Elon MuskBut they didn't deserve it. So then, well, okay, we should turn off the money spigot if they, if the contract is over, you know, type of thing. So one of the things that we made a recommendation to the treasury that the payment classification codes and the explanation for the payment be mandatory fields.
2:07:17Elon MuskSo. So and have a name attached. So we could just ask the person who approved the payment, is this payment a good payment? Does this make sense? This is the kind of thing that is, that is normal in, you know, for individuals and for companies.
2:07:33Elon MuskBut that was not the case. So the reason why the government could not pass an audit was because the information did not exist that that would be required to pass an audit.
2:07:46Elon MuskLike it was literally impossible because you just had all these blank checks going out with no explanation and no payment code. So how are you supposed to do an audit?
2:07:53Elon MuskIt's literally impossible. So that's what I mean by, like, it's very basic stuff. Like we just want the congressional appropriation payment code to be mandatory and a very short explanation.
2:08:06Elon MuskWe're not even going to judge what the explanation is, but that there be any explanation at all and a name attached is, was like revolutionary. And my guess is this will probably save $100 billion a year.
2:08:20Elon MuskLike a lot, you know. So.
2:08:27ModeratorMaybe I could tell a little story from Social Security Administration that people might like to hear too, which is at Social Security Administration, they have passed around it. Actually they've got, I don't know, about 100 material deficiencies, but they passed their audit.
2:08:39ModeratorWhen we looked at the balance sheet, we found that $800 million had fallen off the balance sheet last year. $800 million?
2:08:48Elon MuskWhat do you mean fell off the balance sheet?
2:08:49ModeratorIt's exactly the question I asked. Elon. Thank you.
2:08:51Elon MuskWhere did it fall to?
2:08:52ModeratorExactly? Where did it fall to? So I asked the auditors to come
2:08:55Elon Muskin, like a comedy sketch, comedy routine here.
2:08:58ModeratorWhere did it go exactly?
2:08:59Elon MuskBut wait, where did it go exactly?
2:09:01ModeratorSo here's what happened. I brought, I asked the auditors, come in. I won't give the name of the audience. Come on in. And I asked the audit partner, what is fell off the balance?
2:09:09ModeratorShe mean, is that a GAAP term, A non GAAP term?
2:09:11Elon MuskI never heard that.
2:09:12ModeratorWhat does it mean? Well, the payment Plans because under the last administration, you could pay if you owed. If you got overpaid on Social Security, like if you would.
2:09:20ModeratorIf you were on, you were getting SSI or a disability and they paid you too much money, you got a job. It didn't tell them they paid you too much money.
2:09:28ModeratorThey dropped that payment plan to $10 a month max. So payment plans went out past the system date. So if I remember correctly, it was 2047. Payment plans out past system date.
2:09:37ModeratorWhen it went past the system date, literally it fell off the system.
2:09:41Elon MuskOkay.
2:09:42ModeratorIt disappeared. And the officers were supposed to, people, the technicians were supposed to put notes in the, in the system that this is going to be collected. The notes were so bad, the orders concluded this could not be collected.
2:09:53ModeratorAnd we literally lost $800 million. Go on. And I said to the order, how could that possibly be? And she said, william, it's not really material. It's 1.5 trillion dollar program.
2:10:01ModeratorI said, well, it's material if it's your money.
2:10:03Elon MuskIs it in the computer?
2:10:04ModeratorIt's not in the computer. It fell off the computer.
2:10:06Elon MuskIn the computer that's in the computer.
2:10:10ModeratorDisappeared. $800 million just disappeared.
2:10:14Elon MuskI mean, it's crazy. So there's like, it's one like nutty thing after another like that. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. Anyway, we're just, we're just trying to basically fix the computers so we know what the heck's going on.
2:10:29Elon MuskYeah, it's just like, please. And you know, like I said, being fully trans, we're being fully transparent with the American people. So you know exactly what's going on and just making sure that, you know.
2:10:44Elon MuskYeah. Anyway, money is not wasteful or fraudulent. One interesting statistic was that 40% of the calls into Social Security were fraudulent. Like, meaning that it was someone trying to get a Social Security payment that was going to a senior to go to a.
2:11:04Elon MuskInstead to go to a fraud ring. So that was. Almost half of the phone calls were fraudulent, probably. The other half were people asking, what happened to my Social Security?
2:11:17ModeratorThis is true, actually.
2:11:18Elon MuskOkay, where did my. What happened? This is bananas.
2:11:22ModeratorYeah, I mean, we found this. Actually the people there at such street knew this was going on and had been complaining about it for a long time. And no one fixed it because.
2:11:29ModeratorAnd these were, these were mostly criminal rings outside the country, in other, other places in the world that are jamming up the phone systems, calling in using just these simple security questions.
2:11:39ModeratorBecause you can actually, this was how crazy it was. You could Change your direct deposit information at Social Security by simply answering six questions on the phone. Like your mother's maiden name, your date of birth, etc.
2:11:51Elon MuskStuff you can find on the Internet,
2:11:52Moderatoreasily found on the dark web. That's why it was so easy. It was a huge, huge exploitation. Super open door. I mean, the bank vault was open and the criminals ran right in and took the money and they took it away from our seniors.
2:12:04ModeratorRight? So what happened is if, like my dad's 84, he'd go get it checked, supposedly in the bank account wasn't there, then he's got to go through a whole process to get it, the money back from the government, which takes a long time.
2:12:14ModeratorIt's the government. Right. So we, we put in a very simple 2fa system. All this nonsense you see in the media about, we turned off the phone lines that are not true.
2:12:22ModeratorAll, all we did. All they did, actually. We, we recommended to Social Security that they put in a very simple two FA system and they will.
2:12:31Elon MuskTwo factor authentication, they say.
2:12:33ModeratorSame kind of thing you do at the banks. Like, pretty simple. You have a bank account, you do this. And you know what? They did it. They said, yeah, you're right, we should do that.
2:12:40ModeratorThey went and did it. Good for them. They did it. No one had the will to do it. They did it and they're going to keep increasing security. They've got, we've gave them, we've given them a lot more recommendations and they're on the road to increase security.
2:12:51ModeratorStop all this nonsense. So our seniors and our people that are disabled don't get stolen from.
2:12:56Elon MuskYeah, this is really worth emphasizing because like the, you know, the radical left are saying that like somehow we're stealing Social Security. Like, first of all, like, you know, I don't need the money, okay?
2:13:12Elon MuskIn fact, it's costing me a lot to be in this job. You know, you had like Tim Walsh dancing on stage showing a chart of Tesla stock, which is really awful thing for him to do, you know, because what they're trying to do is put massive pressure on me and Tesla, I guess, to just, you know, I don't know, stop doing this.
2:13:39Elon MuskBut, you know, it's, you know, my Tesla stock and the stock of everyone who holds Tesla has gone. Went roughly in half. I mean, it's a big deal. So not only is, am I not getting any, I'm not getting paid, definitely not stealing money and would never get away with it, but the value of my Tesla stock is in half.
2:13:59Elon MuskSo this is a very expensive job. Is what I'm saying, but I think it's. You're welcome.
2:14:23Audience MemberThank you.
2:14:24ModeratorThank you.
2:14:30Elon MuskThank you very much, guys.
2:14:36Elon MuskSo. But long term, I think Tesla stock's going to do fine. So, you know, maybe it's a buying opportunity. So. But the actual thing we're doing is making sure that people do get their Social Security and that it doesn't get stolen, so.
2:14:57Moderator100%.
2:14:58Elon MuskYeah. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Hi, Elon. I got a question for you about Dodge. Great shirt. Everybody in this room has got a bunch of money sitting in a bunch of little boxes in a bunch of different states.
2:15:18Elon MuskAnd it turned into crickets when you brought it up online that you were gonna go check our gold. And I'm worried about the Democrats and Joe Biden's last administration with the money not being there.
2:15:29Elon MuskDid you get blocked or are you still able to go check that? Sorry, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're referring to. Fort Knox.
2:15:36Master of CeremoniesOh, Fort Knox.
2:15:37Elon MuskOh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, that's up to the President, of course, but I think it would be. I think it would be awesome to live stream Fort Knox, you know, I mean, that would be really fun.
2:15:54Elon MuskAnd after all, it is actually the gold of the American people. So the American people should, it seems to me, have a right to see their gold. You know, hopefully it looks really cool.
2:16:07Elon MuskYou know, you open the doors, like, is it there? Is that really gold? Let's check. You know, so maybe it'll be really, really interesting. I'm all for it. The President says he's interested in doing it, so hopefully that happens, so.
2:16:23ModeratorAll right.
2:16:27Elon MuskGood evening, Mr. Musk.
2:16:28ModeratorHow are you?
2:16:28Elon MuskGood. How's it going?
2:16:29ModeratorGood, good.
2:16:30Elon MuskMy name is VITO Gabriel. I'm 18 years old. This is my first election that I'm be voting in, so.
2:16:35ModeratorGreat.
2:16:36Elon MuskVery exciting. Oh, actually, that reminds me. So it is actually possible to both register to vote on Tuesday. If someone has not registered to vote, they can register to vote in Wisconsin and they can vote same day.
2:16:50Elon MuskSo even if somebody's not a registered voter, you can do everything on Tuesday. So a bit of backstory. When I was younger, 8 years old to be exact, my father put me to work in my family's restaurant, and it led me to want to start my own business and to be successful, just like you.
2:17:08Elon MuskAnd in my opinion, you're one of the most successful businessmen to ever live. And so what advice would you give to young entrepreneurs who want to start their own businesses and give back to this great country?
2:17:21Elon MuskWell, sure.
2:17:26Elon MuskWell, it is very hard to start a business and have it succeed. You know, it is true that most businesses that start do not succeed. So I mean, I guess I'd really just say, you know, if there's a product or service that you think is really needed, then you go out and you make that product or you produce that service, offer that service and try to be as useful as possible.
2:17:59Elon MuskReally, you know, there's, it's like whether, you know, it's a great restaurant or store or a technology company or whatever the case may be, it's really just like, are you doing things that are useful to your fellow human beings?
2:18:17Elon MuskYou know, if you are, then I think the company will be successful. So that's really what it comes down to is just being useful. Like people ask me, what's the top advice?
2:18:30Elon MuskI'm like, try to be useful. It's actually very difficult to be useful. But I have a lot of admiration for anyone who just does an honest day's work making products or producing services for their fellow human beings.
2:18:47Elon MuskThat's what a company is, you know, that's it. So.
2:18:55Elon MuskBut it is hard, I mean, I mean, to talk like that. I generally said if somebody needs encouragement to start a company, I would recommend not starting a company.
2:19:11Elon MuskIt's a very difficult, like, you know, if you look at, say, the automotive industry, the only two American car companies that have not gone bankrupt are Tesla and Ford.
2:19:24Elon MuskSo it's a, it's a bit, it's a big cemetery is what I'm saying. So that's a tough one, you know, Very, very tough industry. And there were really no, like, commercial rocket companies that were successful before SpaceX.
2:19:39Elon MuskIt's generally very difficult to make the value of the output exceed the cost of the input. And that's really what defines a successful business. And profit is really the difference between the value of the output and the cost of the input.
2:19:55Elon MuskThat's what profit is. But it's like shockingly hard to make the output more valuable than the input. That's what I found. Yeah. So.
2:20:09Audience MemberAll right.
2:20:12Master of CeremoniesHi, Elon, thank you so much for being here.
2:20:15Elon MuskWould you agree with me that the economic illiteracy in this country is staggering, that people don't understand how close we are? I would say that that is true. America to going over the fiscal cliff.
2:20:30Elon MuskYeah, right. Yes. Most people, actually, I think most people. Well, I think a lot of people don't know what a national debt is like. How did this national debt come about?
2:20:42Elon MuskAnd how come there's all this money that somehow we owed, but we didn't sign up to be to owing this money. But there's, you know, over $30 trillion of national debt and that doesn't count future obligations.
2:20:57Master of CeremoniesSo.
2:20:57Elon MuskAnd that's just doesn't count state and local debt. So it's a lot of, basically it's a lot of money that the government has signed everyone in America up for.
2:21:10Elon MuskAnd yeah, so there's. If we don't do something about it, then eventually there won't be any money for anything. We'll just be paying interest, you know, a company. So I should say a country is much like a person, it's just, it's just bigger.
2:21:31Elon MuskA country is a collection of people. But just like a person can go bankrupt, a country collectively can also go de facto bankrupt, essentially by diluting the currency to where it's worthless.
2:21:45Elon MuskAnd that's where we're headed. Unless we are take immediate and dramatic action with respect to government spending, we're in deep trouble, basically.
2:21:58ModeratorYou've seen this in places like Venezuela.
2:22:00Elon MuskYeah, exactly. In a lot of countries where things have gone to hell in a handbasket. And it's like we just need to not do that. So if, you know, if the ship of America sinks, we all sink with it.
2:22:18Elon MuskYou know, this is something that I try to tell people in the sort of commercial sector that like you're not going to, your company's not going to make it if the ship of America sinks.
2:22:30Elon MuskSo we all got to like, you know, work together here to make sure it does not.
2:22:41Elon MuskAntonio, feel free to ad lib as you.
2:22:45ModeratorThis is the only place left to go.
2:22:47Elon MuskThat's great, right? Exactly. I don't think we can run off to some other country and be okay. It's America. You know, I will die in America. I'm not going anywhere.
2:22:57ModeratorI will too.
2:23:01Elon MuskI mean, I might go to Mars, but that will be part of America.
2:23:08PerformerYeah.
2:23:14Audience MemberHi, Elan, thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to be here today with us in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
2:23:22ModeratorYeah.
2:23:25Audience MemberI just want to say that Doge's findings demonstrate to the American people that the government clearly does not care about our hard earned tax dollars. I'm only 26, but I can imagine it's frustrating for people who have worked their entire lives to see their tax dollars going to fraud, waste and abuse.
2:23:47Audience MemberAnd you alone have contributed so much money to our government. Yes. Via taxes. So thank you.
2:23:54Elon MuskYou're welcome. But I'm sorry that your money's not
2:23:56Audience Memberbeing spent very well.
2:24:00PerformerI.
2:24:01Audience MemberYou've clearly shown your leadership and team is capable of transforming our government into something better than what we see today. I just want to say I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering, but we know that Doge has found quite a bit of money and we would like to see some of that returned to the American people.
2:24:24Audience MemberDo you have any information on when Doge checks would be written or sent out?
2:24:32Elon MuskSure. Well, I guess we need to be successful at scale. We've made a lot of progress, but there's still a tremendous amount of work to do effectively. As government spending is made more efficient and spending is reduced, the tax buyer, inflation is reduced.
2:24:53Elon MuskSo one way or another, you will effectively be better off if resources in the United States are not wasted. So it's somewhat up to the Congress and maybe the President to, you know, as to whether specific checks are cut.
2:25:16Elon MuskBut whether a check is cut or not, if you reduce wasteful spending, the economy is going to be better off. There will be. People will do more useful jobs than before, the total output of goods and services will increase, and then the average standard of living will increase.
2:25:36Elon MuskSo that's. Yeah,
2:25:43Elon MuskI think the most important lesson in economics is simply common sense that the more people in a country that are engaged in producing useful products and services, the better off that country will be.
2:25:59Elon MuskLike you could run the sort of thought experiment to say in the limit, if we moved everyone in the car industry into the dmv, there would be no cars, but there would be a lot of regulators.
2:26:10Elon MuskSo then you say, well, okay, well then how many people should be in the government versus not government? And generally, I think you want to minimize the number of people in government.
2:26:20Elon MuskThere's still, you know, be a lot of people in government, but you want to keep that to a minimum and move people from low to negative productivity roles to high productivity roles in the private sector.
2:26:32Elon MuskYeah.
2:26:37Guest SpeakerHey, Elon.
2:26:38Elon MuskSo the first time I heard about population collapse, I think was from you on Joe Rogan. I grew up in the generation where it was very overpopulation, global warming.
2:26:47Elon MuskA lot of people don't want to have kids. My wife and I just had our first.
2:26:50Audience MemberShe's a year.
2:26:51Elon MuskCongratulations.
2:26:51Audience MemberHi, John. Thank you.
2:26:52ModeratorAmazing.
2:26:55Elon MuskAnd I'm finding out very quickly a lot of these things I was told about having kids, losing personal freedom in. It's well worth it. I mean, I would recommend it to everybody, as I'm sure you would.
2:27:04Elon MuskAbsolutely. I mean, I've been banging the baby drum for ages.
2:27:07Guest SpeakerYes.
2:27:10Elon MuskSo my question to you Is what's the most surprising and fulfilling thing you've learned from your kids? Especially we've seen you around X all
2:27:16Guest Speakerthe time with Trump.
2:27:17Elon MuskSo what's your most fulfilling thing you've learned from having kids? Yeah, ex is in the back there. So hopefully it's watching this. Hopefully, yeah. I think, you know, I think nothing makes you happier than kids really is.
2:27:34Elon MuskIs what is the truth of it. So, you know, kids are my greatest source of happiness and I really encourage, as Antonio knows, I've encouraged all my friends and everyone to have kids.
2:27:53Elon MuskIt is concerning, you know, the United States has been below replacement rate. The birth rate in the United States has been below replacement rate since roughly when I was born around 1970, 71, thereabouts.
2:28:06Elon MuskAnd I think last year was the lowest birth rate on record. It was very low. And then we're seeing this trend in almost every country on Earth. This is, this is worrying because it's like, well, you know, if something doesn't happen, you know, humanity's going to disappear.
2:28:26Elon MuskSo it's, I think, very important to have kids. Like, it's, you know, kids will make you very happy, but there's also like, we gotta keep humanity going here. You know, no humans, no humanity.
2:28:43ModeratorElon practically preaches too, by the way. He's having lots of kids.
2:28:46Elon MuskSorry.
2:28:46ModeratorYou practice what you preach and. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And he tells all his friends to do it too, I can tell you that. For sure, for sure.
2:28:53Elon MuskYeah. So.
2:28:57ModeratorAll right.
2:28:59Elon MuskHi, thanks for coming. My name's Adam. I'm a postal worker. I'm wondering if you could give some insight into some of the reforms or changes that DOGE might be looking at for the Postal Service.
2:29:10Elon MuskWell, actually, may. Perhaps I could ask you what should DOGE be doing with respect to the Postal Service? I'll write you a letter. Okay. Okay.
2:29:23Elon MuskI suspect you've seen that things are not entirely perfect in the Postal Service.
2:29:31Audience MemberYes.
2:29:33Elon MuskSo, I mean, obviously it's. Delivering mail and packages is very important. You know, there's a reason for why the Postal Service was created. But. And I haven't really had a chance to look at the Postal Service yet, but
2:29:54ModeratorI have a little detail on the analysis if you want. Do you do a little bit?
2:29:57Elon MuskOkay, sure, Yeah.
2:29:57ModeratorI mean, I wouldn't say that I want to be very general here, but there is this thing about. You could tell us, like there's this thing about large volume users, Postal Service versus small volume users.
2:30:08ModeratorRight. So like some company. Please.
2:30:10Elon MuskI've heard of that. Yeah.
2:30:11ModeratorYeah. I mean, you probably see it right, like you see there are some companies in the world that use post service a lot and pay the same rate as everybody in this room that uses a little bit.
2:30:19ModeratorDoes that seem fair to you? You see it on the front line?
2:30:23Elon MuskI can't really say. Well, he can't say because he works there.
2:30:26ModeratorOkay. Doesn't seem fair to me. I don't work there. So. I mean, there's a bunch of questions about this people are asking that I think are interesting analysis. And when you look at the source of truth and the data and you make that transparent, I think it's gonna be obvious what the right answers are.
2:30:40Elon MuskYeah. It seems like some companies are not being charged the right amount for package delivery and there's probably more administrative overhead than there should be. Would be some safe guesses.
2:30:51ModeratorI suspect those are good guesses.
2:30:54Guest SpeakerYeah.
2:30:54Elon MuskYeah. Good guesses. All right. Elon, how are you? Yo.
2:30:59ModeratorGood.
2:31:00Elon MuskHow's it going?
2:31:00Guest SpeakerIt's Adam, your number one reply guy on X.
2:31:03Elon MuskHey, Scott Presser.
2:31:04Guest SpeakerIt's good to finally meet in person.
2:31:05ModeratorCool.
2:31:06Guest SpeakerSo I'm glad you like a lot of my stuff.
2:31:08Elon MuskYeah.
2:31:08Guest SpeakerConstantly replying to my stuff, liking my stuff. And I love to create material because I'm a former Democrat myself, just like you.
2:31:13Elon MuskYeah.
2:31:13Guest SpeakerAnd I want to help bring over moderate voters from the Democrat party who are disenfranchised.
2:31:17Elon MuskYeah.
2:31:18Guest SpeakerAnd I'd love to be able to create more content to. To help you out, to help us win more elections, to win the midterms
2:31:22Elon Muskfor 2028 and on and on.
2:31:24Guest SpeakerWould I be able to get a follow up from your main. Because you followed me from your old cybergamer.
2:31:28Elon MuskOh, I did. Okay.
2:31:31Guest SpeakerYeah.
2:31:32Elon MuskAt this point. Yeah, sure, I'll do that. Sure. I mean it's right now I used to only follow maybe a few hundred accounts and it was possible to read a lot most of what they posted, but now I think I follow like 1100 accounts, which makes it impossible.
2:31:53Elon MuskSo like it's just like I can only see a few things that people post at random essentially.
2:32:00PerformerSo
2:32:02Elon Muskyeah. But I'm trying to digest as much information as my human brain can manage. So. But yeah, thanks for, for your engagement and just, you know, in general, like try to report on what's really happening is great.
2:32:19Elon MuskThank you.
2:32:19PerformerThank you,
2:32:24Audience MemberMr. Musk. Thank you so much for being here and bringing attention to what's going on with our Supreme Court here. It's very important and I think it would have gotten no attention, not even half of what it's getting now, if you hadn't stepped in for good or bad negative press and good press, we think.
2:32:43Elon MuskExactly. Totally. Obviously, for any kind of special election is going to get a small fraction of the attention of, say, a presidential election. And then normally an election for a judge would not be that big of a deal.
2:33:05Elon MuskIt just so happens that this, in this case, it could decide the control of the US House of Representatives, which is a huge deal.
2:33:14ModeratorYeah.
2:33:14Elon MuskYeah.
2:33:15Audience MemberMy personal experience with Judge Crawford. I am a family. That she moved a pedophile right next to our.
2:33:23Elon MuskWhat? Really?
2:33:24Audience MemberYeah. It is a true story. In the ads that you're hearing from Mr. Schimmel. I am.
2:33:30Elon MuskWow.
2:33:30Audience MemberOne of the homeowners that had to live next to him for many years, unaware. So the letter that I wrote to her, I'm sure played into what we're experiencing now in family court.
2:33:42Audience MemberFamily. We're veterans, 20 years. It just was not good for him. It was not good for me. And we're trying to work through our family court situation, but what we're realizing is the two strategies that they use are indoctrination or intimidation.
2:33:58Audience MemberAnd if you step up and say, we're a practicing Catholic family, the result is her band of merry rogue judges and the court affiliates and the commissioners will flood the family court.
2:34:15Audience MemberHave flooded the family court system. I guess my question would be, regardless of what happens with. With this very important vote, let's not forget what's happening in the family court system in Dane County, Wisconsin, that's being flooded with these rogue judges and affiliates and commissioners who then, if you don't subscribe to what they're saying, they will just wipe out your ability to raise your family or proceed with your family in a way that you feel your culture dictates your.
2:34:47Audience MemberYour religion dictates, your financial background dictates. It has gone completely bananas. And I'm wondering what you can do to keep the light shine on our court system in Dane County.
2:35:01Audience MemberIt does have lasting effect on families, and it will breed out our ability to raise our families in the spirit in which we feel is most healthy for our young, our children, and the sanctity of our family.
2:35:17Elon MuskAbsolutely.
2:35:25Elon MuskI think that's fundamental to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which is the foundation of America. That, you know, that you. You should have control over your family, not the state.
2:35:37Elon MuskThe state should not have control over your family. It's insane that people would think that.
2:35:44ModeratorSo we've had friends have to escape California because of this.
2:35:48Elon MuskYeah.
2:35:48Audience MemberYeah.
2:35:49ModeratorI mean, it's literally had to leave because the state tried to take their kids. Because they were imposing the state's values on the kids and they literally had to leave overnight.
2:35:55ModeratorMore than one friend. We've had this story.
2:35:57Elon MuskReally?
2:35:58ModeratorReally?
2:36:00Elon MuskYeah. No, there's a thing changed the law in California where if the teachers determine that it's in the kids interest, like, like if you don't respect like you know, I don't know, 10 year olds pronouns or something, the state can take your kid in California.
2:36:19Elon MuskSo it's, it's insane, you know, it's state, state forced indoctrination and if you, if you don't match their, you know, whatever the state wants, then they can take your kid in California.
2:36:36Elon MuskIt's a big deal. Yeah, exactly. So it should just be, you know, families should have control over their own circumstances and it should not be the government that decides what, how your children should be raised.
2:36:56ModeratorHey, Elon, My name is Jack.
2:36:58Elon MuskThere's a lot of questions. I see there is. We're going to answer everything at this point. Please go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.
2:37:06ModeratorThank you for taking the questions.
2:37:07Elon MuskYeah, a lot of people.
2:37:08Audience MemberI agree.
2:37:09ModeratorSo I just, I was wondering, I seen, I noticed that there was another, a second mech zilla being built at the Starbase. Are we going to be go for launch for the Artemis mission coming up?
2:37:22Elon MuskThat's a very sort of space question. So there's, there are, there are two towers in South Texas and then two and we plan to build two towers at the Cape in Florida and then probably some more elsewhere in the future.
2:37:39Elon MuskBut there'll be twin towers at the Cape and twin towers in South Texas. Starbase. All right. Hey Elon, Good to meet you. Thank you for everything you're doing for the country and the world.
2:37:56Elon MuskThank you. I have two questions they asked me to keep it short. Sure. One, do you envision solving blindness and bringing that to the masses where it'll be for everyone?
2:38:11Elon MuskAnd the other is. Is Robo Taxi on schedule? Yeah. Well, there's certainly a wide range of questions tonight. Yes. So for Neuralink, we've actually had. Neuralink has had in monkeys a working, you know, device we call Blindsight where it's been working well, monkeys are healthy for a few years now and we're hoping later this year to do our first device implant for human enabling someone who is completely blind to see.
2:38:50Elon MuskIt's going to be low res at first, like Atari graphics, you know. So I want to set expectations appropriately. So it'll start off with like very low res. But then over time I think eventually the implant would enable vision that is like superhuman.
2:39:06Elon MuskSo that'd be pretty cool. And then, yeah, things are currently on track to do unsupervised full self driving in Austin in June.
2:39:25Elon MuskSo I think we probably will take maybe four more questions. So just two from that side and two from that side and then we'll call it a night. So.
2:39:34Elon MuskSo go ahead. Oh, thank you so much. First of all, you are beyond absolutely legendary and an absolute true hero. So thank you so much for everything you're doing, achieving, accomplishing.
2:39:44Elon MuskYou've done so many impossibles. It is astonishing.
2:39:48ModeratorThank you.
2:39:48Elon MuskBut my name is Brian Wright and I've been filming from last year all the way into this year a docu series on finding peace. And during this election year, the episode was, how many lines do we actually need to cross in order to be able to find peace?
2:40:02Elon MuskAnd I wanted to ask you, where do you feel like we are in this divide? Are we so far divided as to where there's no coming back to the middle or where do you see us being?
2:40:15Elon MuskYeah, we should restore the Smithmont act so that the government cannot spy or issue propaganda to the people. So, yeah,
2:40:31ModeratorI don't know.
2:40:32Elon MuskI mean, I kind of thought that we're headed in a good direction for a while there. And then. And then the last, you know, month or so there have been these like, like crazy violent things happening against Tesla and protesting me and whatnot.
2:40:47Elon MuskAnd I'm like, this is just nuts, you know, and, you know, a lot of people sort of parading signs around saying that, you know, that President Trump and Elon Mush would die type of thing.
2:40:59Elon MuskAnd I'm like, this is really nuts, you know, but I think the real issue is like, who's organizing and funding that? Like the same people that organized and funded the, you know, the infiltrators, you know, who are the hecklers earlier tonight.
2:41:15Elon MuskSo it's whoever they are, you know, and I guess we know some of their names, but it's really. Yeah, yeah, Soros and a bunch of others.
2:41:28Elon MuskI'm not sure really what. Sometimes I wonder what is their goal? Like, what's their aim? You know, I guess, is it communism, I guess, is part of it, or just, I don't know, sometimes I wonder, like, have they thought through what they're.
2:41:44Elon MuskIf, let's say they got their goal, then what, you know, so I. I don't know. I'm hopeful that things calm down, that there's, you know, we gauge that people engage in, like, dialogue, but not, not violence.
2:42:00Elon MuskAnd that, you know, if for those who do push violence and destruction of property and intimidation, obviously, that they. They need to face legal consequences for that. So.
2:42:19Elon MuskAnd the president has said that, you know, that that needs to happen. Obviously, if people are pushing violence and destruction of property, that is against the law, and they need to face the consequences of that.
2:42:31Elon MuskSo. Thank you.
2:42:32PerformerYeah, thank you.
2:42:35Master of CeremoniesElon.
2:42:37Elon MuskI constantly hear that the DOGE efforts are going to do things like take away Social Security payments and reduce other government payments like that. You've touched on it tonight.
2:42:49Elon MuskBut can you say you've discussed that
2:42:53Master of Ceremonieslength over the last few months?
2:42:54Elon MuskYeah. You talk again about how the DOGE efforts are actually going to affect things like the payments and other programs like that? Yeah, I guess it would be helpful because so I just stated as crisply and clearly as possible that DOGE will absolutely ensure that people get their Social Security, make sure they get their Social Security, make sure they get their Medicaid, and will not be cutting any legitimate payments whatsoever.
2:43:22Elon MuskCrystal clear.
2:43:28ModeratorI would just add to this. I've been there, working there, and I spent about the first three or four weeks of my time in the Woodlands actually working in Social Security Administration.
2:43:36Moderator100%. What you're not saying is true. Nothing has happened on the ground that would impact the level of payments going to people that legitimately are owed those payments, period.
2:43:47ModeratorA lot is going to happen to people that are stealing from the system. Yeah.
2:43:52Elon MuskYeah.
2:43:52ModeratorThey're not getting the payments. And you know who's screwed screaming they are, because they're committing fraud. And we should take that away from them because they're stealing from all of us in this room and our parents, and they're going to scream loud and it's going to get louder.
2:44:10Elon MuskBut thank you for asking that question because it is something that, as obvious as it sounds, it's a great question because we just need to be very crisp and clear.
2:44:23Elon MuskDOGE will make sure you get your Social Security. DOGE will make sure you get your Medicaid. There will be no cuts to legitimate payments whatsoever.
2:44:35Elon MuskI'd like to go last, if it's okay with the other gentlemen. Would you like to go, sir? Please go. Thank you. Mr. Musk, thank you so much for coming to Wisconsin.
2:44:48Elon MuskI just want to thank you for calling out bad ideas on X. You do that, like, every 30 minutes. And if I don't see something, I'm like, wow, is Elon okay?
2:44:59Elon MuskYeah. And we all know that ideas of consequences and bad ideas have victims. And thank you for speaking up for victims And a few nights ago when you spoke with Brett Baer, when you were being interviewed and he asked you what keeps you up at night?
2:45:19Elon MuskAnd like that other question you answered and you paused and it was depopulation. And I was waiting for you to say, like, oh, the death threats against my life or the national debt or.
2:45:35Elon MuskBut depopulation, yeah, depopulation is a really big deal. It's not on people's radar. Why is that? Well, I think we haven't yet evolved to deal with depopulation. You know, it's, I guess it's something we better evolve to deal with or we're going to disappear.
2:46:00Elon MuskAnd once the depopulation wall starts rolling, you know, it seems to gather up speed. I mean, you can look at sort of cases like Korea and Japan, which are, you know, much further ahead or behind, depending on how you look at it.
2:46:15Elon MuskLike the population decline there is much worse. Japan is an absolute population decline. So they're losing about, I think roughly a million people a year. And that's going to accelerate.
2:46:27Elon MuskKorea has only a third replacement rate, which means that in three generations the country will be 3 or 4% of its current size. Like basically all that will be left is a small portion of the capital city.
2:46:44Elon MuskSo. And I keep waiting for the birth rate to turn around, but it doesn't. It seems like population collapse accelerates and that's why I think it's a very serious matter.
2:46:58Elon MuskIf you believe in humanity at all, you, you should care about this a lot. And then you know that that's sort of, but that, you know, that's the sort of long term thing and there's the short term thing is remaining is that America needs to be financially solvent.
2:47:15Elon MuskYou know, that's, that's what Doge is about, trying to just make sure America is financially solvent. And then there's also the risks of AI. So we want to make sure that that AI is, is maximally truth seeking and you know, ideally has sort of values that most Americans would agree with that and that it's a pro human AI, that it wants to foster the future of humanity.
2:47:48Elon MuskYou know, those, those are the things that I think about.
2:47:51PerformerSo.
2:47:51Elon MuskThanks,
2:47:56Guest SpeakerElon.
2:47:56Elon MuskMy name is Matt Haas. Like Bonanza Big Hoss, I own and operate a small business here in the Fox Valley. And tomorrow I actually get the honor and the privilege to host Brad Schimmel at our shop, Springetti Landscape.
2:48:09Elon MuskIf anyone's in the valley. Sounds Good. Come down 4:30 tomorrow. We're having a shindig to have Brad stop by he's going to come and give a little, little speech, get some, some.
2:48:19Elon MuskThat's what this was about, was Brad's election. So I just wanted to say, in your opinion, what is Brad going to do for small business owners like myself? Well, I think he's going to help get the government off your back.
2:48:33Elon MuskSo that's a big deal, you know, for anyone that starts a business. You know, it's like you used to just be able to open a store and not get like a zillion permits and licenses and everything.
2:48:46Elon MuskYou know, that's how America. You wanted to make a product, you just made the product and you didn't have to satisfy a massive body of regulations and get permission from all sorts of agencies.
2:48:57Elon MuskSo hopefully Justice Shimel is, you know, supports that and helps get the government off your back. All right, so let me finish by saying, obviously, yeah, dose at the state level will be cool, but just remember, like, the importance of the election on Tuesday is gigantic.
2:49:25Elon MuskIt could decide the future of the House of Representatives. It could decide then the future of America and the future of the world. So it's absolutely critical that you really, you need to just drag friends and family to vote on Tuesday for Justice Schimmel and for voter id.
2:49:45Elon MuskSo thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you,
2:49:54Elon MuskThank you.
2:50:02PerformerIt.
2:50:13Audience MemberWork.
2:50:14Elon MuskI want to lay on it come all day.