Neuralink Launch Event
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0:52Elon MuskAll right, welcome to the Neuralink product demo. Really excited to show you what we've got. I think it's going to blow your mind. So the primary purpose of this demo is actually recruiting.
1:05Elon MuskSo I'm going to emphasize this at the beginning and then again at the end. We're not trying to raise money or do anything else. The main purpose of this is to convince great people to come work at Neuralink and help us bring the product to fruition, make it affordable and reliable and such that anyone who wants one can have one.
1:27Elon MuskAnd so I want to emphasize the purpose of Neuralink. Like, what do we. What's our goal? Our goal is to solve important spine and brain problems with a seamlessly implanted device.
1:40Elon MuskSo you want to have a device that you can basically put in your head and feel and look totally normal, but it solves some important problem in your brain or spine.
1:53Elon MuskAnd the reality is that almost everyone, over time, will develop brain and spine problems. These range from minor to very severe, but if you live long enough, everyone's going to basically have some kind of neurological disorder.
2:11Elon MuskAnd these range, you know, from memory loss to brain damage. But the thing that's important to appreciate is that, is that an implantable device can actually solve these problems.
2:27Elon MuskAnd I think a lot of people don't quite realize that, but all of these, all of your sensors, your sight, hearing, feeling, pain, these are all electrical signals sent by neurons to your brain.
2:44Elon MuskAnd if you can correct these signals, you can solve everything from memory loss. Memory loss, hearing loss, blindness, paralysis, depression, insomnia, extreme pain, seizures, anxiety, addiction, strokes, brain damage.
3:02Elon MuskThese can all be solved with an implantable neural link. This is an extremely fundamental thing. I think a lot of people don't quite understand that the neurons are like wiring, and you kind of need an electronic thing to solve an electronic problem.
3:24Elon MuskSo current medical research, we'll just go through what is the state of the art in medical research and then what's the state of the art in what consumers or people in general can get?
3:34Elon MuskSo the current medical research has shown that you can read neurons in a human's brain. So there's something called the Utah array, which has about 100 channels per array, but it's kind of like a bed of rigid spikes that's literally inserted with an air hammer.
3:51Elon MuskSo, you know, that's slightly discomforting, I think. And there's a big. There's wires and a box on your head. And so it's some infection risk. And obviously, it will look pretty weird if you walk around with boxes on your head.
4:08Elon MuskAnd in order to use it, you have to have an expert medical professional there. And it's only been done in a few dozen people. So. But it is served as an important proof of concept that this can be done.
4:22Elon MuskSo we did want to point this out and show that this actually does work. It's just not something that the average person could use effectively. And in terms of what is currently available, there is something called deep brain stimulation, where they put electrodes, a small number of electrodes in your brain and will actually zap your brain with an electric current.
4:47Elon MuskAnd it's valuable for its uses, but it can't read or write high bandwidth information. I would say this is sort of a bit like sort of kicking the tv, which does work, but not always.
5:00Elon MuskAnd it has limitations nonetheless. This has greatly helped over 150,000 people. And it's. So it's actually, despite being somewhat of a brute force approach, it has been very effective for a lot of people.
5:14Elon MuskAnd this is what's currently available. So we want to radically improve this by multiple orders of magnitude. Improve it by a factor of 100, then 1,000, then 10,000. So going into the neuralink architecture, what we've done over the past year is dramatically simplify the device.
5:33Elon MuskSo we, about a year ago we had a device which had multiple parts, including a piece that had to sort of sit behind your ear. And it was complex and you wouldn't still look totally normal, you'd have a thing behind your ear.
5:52Elon MuskSo we've simplified this to simply something that is about the size of a large coin. And it goes in your skull, replaces a piece of skull, and the wires then connect within a few centimeters or about an inch away from the device.
6:17Elon MuskAnd this is sort of what it looks like.
6:27Elon MuskYeah, this is our little device. That thing at the bottom is just to hold the threads in place because they're just like little fine wires. I mean, frankly, to sort of simplify this.
6:44Elon MuskWhat we're. I mean, it's more complicated than this, but it's in a lot of ways it's kind of like a Fitbit in your skull with tiny wires. So. And it's.
6:58Elon MuskYeah. So our current prototype version 0.9 has about 1000 channels. So that's about 100 times better than the next best consumer device that's available. And it's a 23 millimeters by 8 millimeters.
7:15Elon MuskIt actually fits quite nicely in your skull because your skull is about 10 millimeters thick. So it fits, it goes flush with your skull, it's invisible and all you can see afterwards is that there's a tiny scar.
7:29Elon MuskAnd if it's under your hair, you can't see it at all. In fact, I could have it in your link right now and you wouldn't know. Maybe I do.
7:36Elon MuskSo. And it's also got all the things that you would expect to see, the sensors you'd expect to see in a smartwatch or a phone, like notional measurement, temperature, pressure.
7:47Elon MuskSo there's actually a lot of functions that this device could do related to monitoring your health and warning you about a possible heart attack or stroke or other damage, as well as sort of convenience features like playing music you do a lot.
8:02Elon MuskIt's sort of like if your phone went at your brain or something, maybe that's not a great analogy. So it's also inductively charged. So it's charged in the same way that you charge a smartwatch or a phone.
8:18Elon MuskAnd so you can use it all day, charge it at night and have full functionality. So you would really, it would be completely seamless and yeah, no wires in terms of getting a link.
8:33Elon MuskSo you need to have the device, a great device, and you also need to have a great robot that puts in the electrodes and does the surgery. So you want the surgery to be as automated as possible.
8:48Elon MuskAnd the only way you can achieve the level of precision that's needed is with an advanced robot. So we're really looking for great people who can help develop both the device and the robot.
8:59Elon MuskAnd we feel confident about getting the link procedure, the installation of a link done in under an hour. So you can basically go in in the morning and leave the hospital in the afternoon.
9:11Elon MuskAnd it can be done without general anesthesia. So in terms of getting a link, like I said, it's essentially open a piece of skull, you remove about a coin sized piece of skull and then the robot inserts the electrodes.
9:32Elon MuskWe'll talk more about that later. Then the device replaces the portion of skull that was removed and we basically close that up with actually a super glue, which is how a lot of wounds are closed and then you can just walk around right afterwards.
9:47Elon MuskIt's pretty cool. So this is our surgical robot.
9:58Elon MuskAnd we actually ultimately want this robot to do essentially the entire surgery. So everything from incision, removing the skull, inserting electrodes, placing the device, and then closing things up and having you ready to leave.
10:15Elon MuskSo we want to have a fully automated system.
10:21Elon MuskAnd we've to be clear, this robot does actually work. We've used it for all of the implantations. So this shows you sort of a close up view, which I think is actually not too gruesome, of the electrodes being inserted in the brain.
10:41Elon MuskAnd if you look closely, you'll see that it's a little counterintuitive that if the electrodes are inserted very carefully, that there is no bleeding. And so if you have very tiny electrodes and if they're inserted very carefully so that the robot actually images the brain and makes sure to avoid any veins or arteries so that the electrodes can be inserted with no noticeable damage.
11:08Elon MuskSo you will have no noticeable neural damage in inserting link. Yeah. Like you sort of think like if you stab something with a wire, surely it will bleed, but actually at a really small scale, it does not.
11:25Elon MuskSo does it actually work? And what I'm excited to show you, I call it like the Three Little Pigs demo. And if our. I don't have this. We're bringing out the.
11:41Elon MuskThe pigs. And what we're going to show you is a. Well, I'll walk right over and show you.
11:56Elon MuskSo what we have in pen number one is Joyce and she does not have an implant, obviously healthy and happy. We're trying to get Gertrude out. This is how you know it's a live demo.
12:15Elon MuskShe's a little. She's like trying to eat something in the corner of her pan. Come on, Gertrude, let's go. Snacks are this way. Oh, man. All right, we'll give Gertrude a second and we'll move on to Dorothy.
12:40Elon MuskSometimes the pigs are a little shy. So here's Dorothy. And in the case of Dorothy, Dorothy used to have an implant and then we removed the implant. So this is a very important thing to demonstrate is reversibility.
12:55Elon MuskSo if you have in your link and then you decide you don't want it or you want to get an upgrade and the neural link is removed. Is it removed in such a way that you are still healthy and happy afterwards?
13:07Elon MuskAnd what Dorothy illustrates is that you can put in the neural link, remove it and be healthy, happy, and indistinguishable from a normal pig. Thanks, Dorothy. Man. Gertrude, are you serious?
13:21Elon MuskOkay,
13:28Elon MuskWell, should we bring them all out or something? Would that be better? How about everyone, Everyone just comes into this pen, we'll have a few. It'll be a little crowded, but whatever.
13:44Elon MuskOkay. All right. Well, is Gertrude still back in the thing? Okay, we need to bring brochure down. Yeah.
13:59Elon MuskThe beauty of live demos. This is real live demo. All right, maybe we can zoom in to do.
14:07Ian (Neuralink)Got
14:09Elon Muskclearly very interested in something at the back of her pen.
14:26Elon MuskCan you see her or. All right,
14:37Elon MuskThis might take a sec.
14:43Elon MuskWell, this worked earlier.
14:58Elon MuskAll right, well,
15:05Elon MuskWhat if we lift the curtain and. And then zoom in?
15:16Elon MuskAll right, here we go. Great. Okay, great.
15:25Elon MuskOkay, this is a high energy thing. All right, Gertrude, thanks for coming out. So what you're. The beeps you're hearing are real time signals from the neuralink in Gertrude's head.
15:42Elon MuskSo this neuralink connects to neurons that are in her snout. So whenever she snuffles around and touches something with her snout, that sends out neural spikes which are detected here.
15:56Elon MuskAnd so on the screen, you. You can see each of the spikes from the 1024 electrodes. And then if she snuffles around, touches the snout in the ground, or you kind of feed her some food.
16:10Elon MuskPigs love food. Then you can see the neurons will fire much more than when you're not touching the snout. And that's what's making the beeping sound. All right, cool.
16:25Elon MuskSo as you can see, we have healthy and happy pig, initially shy, but obviously high energy and, you know, kind of loving life. And she's had the implant for two months.
16:39Elon MuskSo this is a healthy and happy pig with an implant that is two months old and working well.
16:44Zach (Neuralink)Yeah.
16:50Elon MuskAll right, cool, cool. And then we actually have. Hope this works. Is. So we said, well, what if we do two neural length implants? And we've been able to do dual neural link implants in, actually, I think three pigs at this point, and we have a couple of them here, and we're able to show that you can actually have multiple neuralinks implanted.
17:17Elon MuskAnd again, healthy and happy and indistinguishable from a normal pig. So it's possible to have multiple links in your head and have them all be sending out signals and you're working well.
17:32Elon MuskAll right, here.
17:39Elon MuskAll right, so we just showed you a demonstration of reading brain activity. And see, probably see that, as I was saying, each of those dots represents a neural spike.
17:52Elon MuskAnd the blue chart at the bottom is showing an accumulation of neural spikes in that region.
18:01Elon MuskSo in terms of additional brain reading activity, when we have, say, one of our pigs on a treadmill. Pig on a treadmill. It's a funny concept, really. And we take the readings from the neurons and we try to predict the position of the joints.
18:25Elon MuskAnd so we say we have the predicted position of the joints, and then we measure the actual position of the joints. You can see that they're almost exactly aligned.
18:33Elon MuskSo we're able, with our. A wireless neural implant to actually predict the position of all of the limbs in the pig's body with very high accuracy.
18:49Elon MuskNow, in terms of writing to the brain or stimulating neurons, we also need precise control of the electric field in space and time. We need a wide range of current for different brain regions.
19:00Elon MuskSome regions require delicate simulation, some requirements a lot of current. And you want obviously no harm to the brain over time. And the way we, part of the way we analyze the stimulating neurons is with a two photon microscopy.
19:18Elon MuskI always have trouble pronouncing it microscopy. And it's very impressive technology. You can actually literally see in real time how the neurons are firing. So the red sort of things are the neurons, red sort of flashing things are the neurons firing.
19:36Elon MuskOr I should say the electrodes firing. So the red things are electrodes firing, and then the green are the neuron bodies responding to the current from the electrode. So you can see them lighting up different brain regions.
19:53Elon MuskAnd then by carefully controlling the electric field, you can actually have one electrode influence possibly 1,000 or 10,000 neurons. So although you might only have 1,000 electrodes implanted, you could be influencing millions of neurons.
20:12Elon MuskAnd this is just a similar chart showing stimulation at different power levels. So like I said, for the initial device, it's read write in every channel with about 10, 24 channels all day.
20:29Elon MuskBattery life recharges overnight, has quite a long range. So you have the range, the range being to your phone, I should say that's kind of an important thing. This would connect to your phone and actually the.
20:45Elon MuskSo the application would be on your phone and it would be communicating by essentially Bluetooth low energy to the device in your head. That's why I say in a lot of ways it is like a footbed in your skull with tiny wires.
20:59Elon MuskSo, and then like I said, you would not be able to see the device at all. You would look completely normal and just have a small scar under your hair.
21:11Elon MuskAnd we're making good progress towards clinical studies. I'm excited to announce that we received a breakthrough device designation from the FDA in July, thanks to the hard work of the Neuralink team.
21:27Elon MuskSo I want to be clear, we're working closely with the FDA and we'll be extremely rigorous. In fact, we will significantly exceed the minimum FDA guidelines for safety. We will make this as safe as possible.
21:44Elon MuskJust as with Tesla, while it is legally possible to ship a one star car at Tesla, the only cars we make are five stars in every category. So we actually maximize safety.
21:55Elon MuskAnd we'll take the same approach here at Neuralink. And then to emphasize Again, what the goal of this presentation is is recruiting. We want people who are great at solving problems to join the company and help us complete this device, take care of the animals, write the software, create the chips, and productionize everything.
22:21Elon MuskSo we need, like, robotics engineers. I think we also especially need people who have worked on product, worked on and shipped products. So if you've, like, shipped a smartwatch or a phone or any kind of complex electronics or complex device or advanced medical devices, we'd love for you to contact us and consider working here.
22:45Elon MuskSo a very important point to emphasize is that you do not need to have prior experience on brains. So a lot of people think, well, I couldn't possibly work Neuralink because I don't know anything about how brains work.
22:57Elon MuskThat's okay, you can learn. But we need software engineering, we need mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, like I said, chip design, robotics, and all the things that a company needs to work.
23:10Elon MuskSo please send in your resume. Actually, it's not just engineering, obviously. Everything. Everything in your link. So now let's actually move to questions. So we've piled questions that have been asked over the Internet, and so we'll do live Q and A.
23:30Elon MuskSo bring in a bunch of people from the Neuralink team.
23:37Neuralink TeamAll right?
23:59Elon MuskAll right, cool.
24:04Elon MuskAll right, so if you have any questions, please submit your questions to the Neuralink Twitter account. And we will try to answer as many questions as we can over the next hour.
24:14Elon MuskAnd feel free to ask hard questions. There's no problem, and we'll do our best to answer them. All right, let's move over to the team.
24:23ModeratorPerfect. Yes. We will continue monitoring questions until the end of the event, so please keep sending them in over Twitter. Elon, do you want to come join us? All right, so the first question is, how is the spike detection implemented?
24:38ModeratorIs it on the asic? Is it hardware and software updatable?
24:43Paul (Neuralink)Yes. Yeah, I can answer that. So I'm Paul. I work. I've had a few different hats. I've worked a little bit on digital chip design and more recently working on some of the algorithms trying to decode the signals from the brain.
25:00Paul (Neuralink)And the spike detection algorithm. There's historically been many ways of detecting spikes. Typically, people will record data offline and then look for characteristic shapes. But here we're interested in detecting spikes online and there's a number of simple algorithms that you can do, for example, like detecting just a threshold and where we've been interested in doing a little bit better than that.
25:24Paul (Neuralink)So we actually look for particular shapes, character shapes that we think are spikes. And so we're doing this on the chip. It's for all 1024 electrodes. There's band pass filtering that's happening on the chip.
25:39Zach (Neuralink)So if you think of these as
25:40Paul (Neuralink)like little microphones sending audio information, we're basically filtering all of that in real time and then looking for these characteristic shapes. You can configure what sort of shapes you're looking for and that information is what's being sent out.
25:53Paul (Neuralink)The raw information coming from electrodes is way too much to send out over Bluetooth. So when you're seeing those beautiful spike rasters on the screen, those are the detections that we have coming straight from the chips.
26:04Autumn (Neuralink)Got it.
26:04ModeratorAnd just for everyone who doesn't know, can you just explain at a basic level what a spike is? Sure.
26:09Paul (Neuralink)So traditionally people think of spikes or action potentials as the electrical events that happen in neurons and is the primary form of communication between neurons. And so this is a hysteresis event where you have currents that flow and generate this.
26:27Paul (Neuralink)You can think of it as being a digital signal, a 1 or a 0 that's being sent in time where neurons will send that signal to often thousands of recipient neurons.
26:40ModeratorAwesome. Thanks, Paul. So I got a question from Toby on Twitter. He asks what can be further done to simplify the device installation progress?
26:53Matthew MacDougallSo we're working on making the device as small as possible. Of course, with the robot taking more and more of the responsibility away from error prone human surgeons, we're hoping to make the process faster and safer.
27:09DJ SeoActually.
27:09Elon MuskIt might be good for people to say, you know, who they are and what they do.
27:15Matthew MacDougallI'm Matthew McDougall. I'm the neurosurgeon, the head neurosurgeon at Nerling.
27:20ModeratorThanks, Matt. Is there anything specifically from the robot that can be done to make this faster and safer and scalable to billions of people?
27:30Ian (Neuralink)Yeah, I guess we've started with just implementing robot manipulating the threads,
27:37Elon Muskbut we
27:37Ian (Neuralink)definitely need to expand to essentially doing the entire surgery with the robot. So there's nothing like really, as far as I can tell, fundamentally stopping us from doing that sort of like at a fundamental science level, it hasn't been done in the past.
27:50Ian (Neuralink)I think probably just because like volumes of surgeries hasn't been needed, but specifically for us to scale up to many hundreds of thousands or millions of patients, we will need to automate the entire surgery, essentially.
28:05ModeratorAwesome, thank you. Ian Garrett asks, what are some of the lower bandwidth activities to target first? Is it muscle movement, is it auditory signals? What level of bandwidth is required for effective use?
28:20Elon MuskSo, so there's a couple of. Just to say who you are and what you do.
28:24Joey O'DohertyHi, my name is Joey o'. Doherty. I'm a neuroscientist and neuro engineer working on decoding from the brain. So there's some low hanging fruit that I think can really be impactful to help many people's lives and that's restoring movement and communication in, for example, a spinal cord injured patient.
28:41Joey O'DohertyAnd there's a lot of antecedents in the academic world where there have been very nice demonstrations of doing this and we think we can take our technology and really bring that to the home.
28:51Joey O'DohertySomething people can take home with them and improve their lives.
28:54ModeratorFantastic. Gil, there's a fun one next. All you. Yeah. So we're fielding questions from Twitter so there's going to be some funny, funny comments. First question is, who are you and what do you do?
29:05ModeratorI'll lead with that. And the question is, can the neuralink chip allow you to summon your Tesla telepathically?
29:12Elon MuskDefinitely. Of course.
29:14ModeratorYou heard it here first. That's a definite 100%, Carlos. That is the answer.
29:21Neuralink TeamJust one bit of information.
29:22Elon MuskYeah, it's very easy. That's an easy one.
29:25ModeratorActually, Max, this might be a question for you. Is. Yeah, like some of the questions we had on Twitter was how do you see the neuralink device and the essentially API growing over time and allowing developers to interact with the device.
29:43Neuralink TeamSo there's interesting questions long term about whether you do decoding on head or on a phone or on a computer ultimately. So at a thousand channels it's possible to send all the spike data to a phone and do processing there.
29:52Neuralink TeamAs this gets bigger and bigger, you're going to be more constrained by the radio. So you're going to want to push more of this on head and that changes your programming model.
29:59Neuralink TeamBut really the APIs you're getting are they're bin spikes. You're getting raw waveforms and that's like you can consume it basically like an audio feed.
30:09Elon MuskYeah, it's worth noting, like the lossless compression of the data stream is about 100 kilobits with 1024 channels.
30:18ModeratorExcellent. So this one came up a lot. And this particular question is from Yosef, but will this technology ever be used for gaming?
30:28Elon MuskYeah, probably 100%. 100%, yeah.
30:32Neuralink TeamI think that a good benchmark of does it work well in humans is can a quadriplegic, does it work well enough for them to play Starcraft? That's A good functional target?
30:40Ian (Neuralink)Yeah,
30:42Elon Muskfor sure.
30:43Neuralink TeamYeah.
30:43ModeratorAwesome. We'll pull out back from the Twitter questions that are kind of funny. This is a question for the efficacy of the device. Right now, is the device limited to surface layers of the brain only, or can we go deeper?
31:00ModeratorAnd if not now, what's holding us back from going deeper into the brain?
31:06Matthew MacDougallWe are planning on modifying the device and the robot to be able to sew into arbitrary depths of the brain. Right now we're limiting ourselves only to the cortical surface because that simplifies many of the problems involved with going a lot deeper.
31:21ModeratorAnd what kinds of things can you solve on the cortical surface versus when you go deeper?
31:26Elon MuskSure.
31:26Matthew MacDougallSo a lot of the low level processing happens in the cortex in terms of motor intentions, sensory information that comes directly in. So you're hearing your auditory percepts, your visual processing.
31:43Matthew MacDougallA lot of that happens in the cortex.
31:45Elon MuskI mean, you could, you could solve blindness, blindness, you could solve paralysis, you can solve hearing, you can solve a lot just by interfacing with the cortex. And to be clear, we actually do insert, I guess about 3 or 4 millimeters into the cortex.
32:01Elon MuskSo these electrodes are sensing from multiple layers within the cortex. There are deeper brain systems that are underneath your cortex, like the hypothalamus. And I think that is something we'd want to interface with for sure because that's going to be important for curing things like depression, addiction, that kind of thing, anxiety.
32:33Elon MuskSo. But yeah, as like I said in the presentation, overall we're aiming for a general purpose device. And really the thing that we're what change between from interfacing with the cortex versus deep brain systems is kind of the length of the electrode.
32:52Elon MuskSo we just need kind of longer wires and to adjust the robot in order to access deeper regions of the brain.
33:00ModeratorAwesome. Ian, did you have anything?
33:02Neuralink TeamThe robot is designed like the full length is like 7 centimeters or 8 centimeters.
33:06Ian (Neuralink)Yeah. So right now we're designed for like 6 millimeters. The actuator itself isn't actually limited to 6 millimeters and go much deeper. That's sort of in addition to scaling out sort of to the rest of the surgery, also scaling to deeper, which is mostly a sensing problem.
33:21Ian (Neuralink)So the ability to avoid deep vasculature is sort of an interesting problem that we're working on in the robotics world here. So, yeah, lots of cool problems in the robot.
33:31Elon MuskAnd you're leading robot engineering?
33:33Ian (Neuralink)Yeah, sorry, I'm Ian, I lead the robotics program program here.
33:39ModeratorRobot is a man's Best friend. All right, next question is, what is the most challenging problem that must be solved in order to meet Neuralink's ultimate goal?
33:49Elon MuskWell, I think one of the hardest problems is kind of, I'd say material science and the, especially the installation of the electrodes. What would you say?
34:02Felix DekuYeah, absolutely.
34:02Elon MuskAlso you want to introduce yourself.
34:04Felix DekuSo I'm Felix Deku. I currently lead the microfabrication team. My team makes up of a group of process engineers and material scientists. And our job is to make the tiny wires, as Elon referred to them, what we call the threads that are implanted in a brain.
34:21Felix DekuAnd of course the threads are made of conductors and insulators. And choosing the right material that is amenable to the brain and compacted to the brain, it's something that our team have expertise on and we work seriously on interface engineering just to make sure that our layers are actually well thought through, well designed, and at the end of the day, when we implement this device, it'll be actually functional for either reading or for writing in the brain.
34:52Elon MuskYeah, it's going to be important from, in terms of material science problems is making sure that the threads, the electrodes, can last for decades in the brain, which is a tricky thing because it's a very corrosive environment and you're in a dichotomy where you want to read and you want to sense electrical signals and you want to generate electrical signals and but you don't want to corrode the electrodes over time.
35:25Elon MuskSo you need to have an insulating layer that is very robust, but also very, very thin. It has to be just the right amount of insulation and it has to stay that amount of insulation over time.
35:37Elon MuskSo that's why I think we think probably like a silicon carbide type insulator is probably the best long term from a material science standpoint. But it's material. Silicon carbide is a tough material to work with, but that's probably the right choice long term, would you say?
35:53Felix DekuYeah, yeah, I totally agree. And it's also apart from its electrical properties, it also helps with adhesion between the metal layers and the polymer substrate. Other thing that we also looking at is since we actually reducing the electrode dimensions, the electrocyte, the actual site that actually speaks to the neuron, also have what we call high resistance to the signal.
36:14Felix DekuSo we actually look into like material engineering that will reduce the impedance at an interface so that we can actually have a very small electric type, but still be able to speak clearly to the, to the neuron.
36:24ModeratorAnd when you guys say thin, how thin?
36:29Felix DekuHow thin? So one strand of your hair is about 100 microns in diameter. We can think about dividing that into 20. So, you know, one of the, the thickness that we recognize, about five microns.
36:42Felix DekuAnd we have this possibility to go even thinner in the nearest future.
36:47Elon MuskYeah, yeah, we think we can probably go sub micron in thickness. But obviously the thinner you make the wire, the harder it is to sense the signal and to do simulation because there's less cross sectional area for the current to traverse.
37:01Elon MuskAnd yeah, in terms of upgrades, that part of why I wanted to show the explanted plague is to show that you can actually take the device out and there's no observable behavior change.
37:13Elon MuskThe pig is as happy as before and healthy. And this is going to be important for upgrades because obviously if you get an early device, then by the time, let's say you get version one, probably by the time we have version three or four, you want to upgrade.
37:31Elon MuskYou wouldn't want version one of a phone, and 10 years later, everyone's got version three or four. So it's going to be important to be able to remove the device and upgrade it over time.
37:42Elon MuskSo over time, the neuralink would do even more than it did before.
37:50ModeratorAwesome. So here's a question about the device. We have been talking a lot about read speeds and write or we haven't talked about read or write speeds. DJ what are the read and write speeds of the device?
38:04ModeratorIf you think of it like a computer.
38:07DJ SeoSorry, when you say speed, what do you mean?
38:10ModeratorLike, how quickly can you read information from the brain and how quickly can you write information in the brain?
38:16DJ SeoOkay, so let's see. So one of the things to highlight is that we.
38:21Elon MuskDj, what do you work on?
38:23DJ SeoYes, my name is dj, so I'm leading implant electronics development, like a chip design and a chip designer. So the prototype that we were showing, it has 1024 channels.
38:36DJ SeoAll of those channels are capable of recording and also stimulating. And in terms of recording, as Paul mentioned, we do have on chip algorithms to do level of compression and extracting the signals of interest.
38:47DJ SeoIn this case, spikes, neural spikes. And those things are actually happening at a much faster speed than your brain even is processing those information.
38:56Elon MuskWell, do you want to say like things like time resolution, like, you know, within how many milliseconds can you detect a spike? And what's the, you know, just some technical data.
39:05DJ SeoSo in terms of the signals that we're collecting, you know, we're digitizing them at 20 kilohertz. Generally, the signals of interest are anywhere between about a millisecond in, in width.
39:18DJ SeoAnd so we sort of sample it at 20 times that speed. And we have analog to digital converters that divides that into 1024 levels. So 10 bit resolution. And the spike detection is done in less than 900 nanosecond, which is really, really fast time.
39:37DJ SeoAnd it's only sort of determined by the speed of the clock. And for low, making sure that our implant is low power, we're running them actually at a very slow speed.
39:47DJ SeoAnd then for stimulation, you know, we can actually create any arbitrary waveforms with about 7 microseconds of resolution. So basically, whatever you want to draw, we can stimulate and generate those pulses through any comp.
40:05Elon MuskVersion one, as we go to version two, three, four, these things will expand, I think, ultimately by orders of magnitude. Many orders of magnitude.
40:14ModeratorGreat. How big is the Neuralink team and how much do you expect it to grow in the near future?
40:22Elon MuskAbout 100 people right now, I think over time there might be 10,000 or more people at Neuralink. So I think. Yeah, the couple orders of magnitude. Yeah, exactly. A couple orders of magnitude.
40:35Elon MuskThose are my favorite phrases. Yeah, just, you know, a couple hours of magic is no big deal. So, yeah, probably the number of electrodes will grow with the number of people at the company.
40:50Neuralink TeamHopefully that's a super linear relationship.
40:53Elon MuskWell, we might need a million people at the company then. Yeah, super. Yeah. Even more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ideally, like. Yeah, yeah, super linear.
41:04Neuralink TeamOur hiring quotas are determined by our channel counts.
41:09Elon MuskMaybe it's 10 to 1 ratio or something. Yeah, cool.
41:13ModeratorSo Twitter asks, how does the implant system fare against various disturbances from the outside, like electrical, magnetic, wi fi, radio.
41:25Zach (Neuralink)Yeah.
41:25DJ SeoSo the current version of implant that we have is using Bluetooth low energy radio. So similar to any Bluetooth devices that are out there, you know, they, they are able to coexist with other devices that are using and sharing our Same spectrum in 2.4 GHz.
41:42DJ SeoObviously, as you imagine, you know, when you go to concerts or there's just a lot of people, the signal quality does degrade because it is a pretty congested spectrum.
41:51DJ SeoSo we are actually working on some new versions of the radio that are operating at different frequencies to be able to also send out a lot more data and have it be scalable to, you know, billions of electrodes and then also in terms of sort of electromagnetic compatibility and interferences, obviously it's very important for us to coexist with other systems and just disturbances out there.
42:15DJ SeoSo there are also well documented guidelines from FDA that we'll be following and doing a lot of testing for.
42:23ModeratorFantastic. We're going to take an audience question. Fred, take it away.
42:28Elon MuskSo we all want to play starcraft using neuralink, but what are some likely first applications? Well, I don't know if we all want to play StarCraft.
42:38Neuralink TeamThere are other games.
42:39Elon MuskThere are other games to play. Exactly.
42:42Neuralink TeamBut also starcraft.
42:46Matthew MacDougallSo our first clinical trial is aimed at people with paraplegia or tetraplegia. So cervical spinal cord injury. We're going to enroll, or plan to enroll a small number of patients to make sure the device is safe and that it works in that case.
43:02Elon MuskYeah. So actually just to elaborate on that, if somebody has like a severe spinal cord injury, you know, to the degree that they even, they have very limited control even over their facial muscles, then.
43:17Elon MuskBut with this implant you can actually think, just by thinking, you can output words and you can type and you can control a computer, control a phone, which is pretty, pretty wild.
43:35Elon MuskAnd I think something that's very exciting as a long term application is if you can sense what somebody is trying to do with their limbs, what they want to do with their limbs, then you can actually do a second implant that's at the base of the spine or wherever, just after, wherever the spinal injury occurred and you can create a neural shunt.
44:00Elon MuskSo I think long term, I'm confident that long term it will be possible to restore somebody's full body motion. So if somebody even has a severed spine, they will be able to walk again, they will be able to use their hands.
44:15Elon MuskAnd like when you have a severed spinal cord, you essentially have broken wires. And so if you can just jump over those wires and transmit the signals over those wires, you can give somebody the ability to walk again naturally.
44:35ModeratorSo, D.J. you talked about outside interference. Can anyone talk about the inside interference? So how to protect the implant from the body?
44:45Robin (Neuralink)Sure, I can talk about that. My name is Robin, I'm a mechanical engineer and I lead the implant mechanical packaging and assembly team. So actually making the devices and designing the seal.
44:59Robin (Neuralink)So yeah, the body's not a friendly place to be. So what we do is basically create an accelerated test chamber that can mimic the conditions that the devices will see in the body and basically test the devices at as fast as accelerated rate as we can at this time.
45:18Robin (Neuralink)We're limited temperature wise by some of the electronics components, but basically we can submit test subsystems to mimic the environment in the body. And by that we've brought Some devices in the test right now to almost a year and all the implanted ones prior to these implants, we had tested the same architecture in the tester to validate it.
45:42Robin (Neuralink)And yeah, so there's obviously chemical things attacking the implant. There's, there's pressure, there's mechanical shock and vibration. So all of these things are part of it. And yeah, I think one of the things that really helps is having everything in sourced in house.
46:00Robin (Neuralink)So we have the capability to deposit thin layers of metal. We have the capability to weld glass and machine micron scale with lasers and yeah, so basically we have all the tools in house to be able to design any sort of ceiling enclosure, packaging that we need to do.
46:23ModeratorAwesome. Thank you. Robin. Another question from Twitter. Will you be able to save and replay memories in the future?
46:31Elon MuskYes, I think in the future you'll be able to save and replay memories. I mean, this is obviously sounding increasingly like a black mirror episode, but. Well, I guess they're pretty good at predicting.
46:47Elon MuskBut yeah, essentially if you have a whole rain interface, everything that's encoded in memory, you could, you could upload, you could basically store your memories as a backup and restore the memories and ultimately you could potentially download them into a new body or into a robot body.
47:08Elon MuskThe future is going to be weird.
47:12Robin (Neuralink)Cool.
47:13ModeratorSo I can't help but notice that the pigs back there are pretty well behaved and pretty darn cute. Can anyone talk about. I'm looking at Autumn over here. First, can you tell everyone who you are and what you do here?
47:26ModeratorAnd can you describe, like, how are they so well behaved and so smart?
47:32Autumn (Neuralink)Well, I'm Autumn and I lead our animal care program. And our philosophy here is to set up a system where the animals are able to volunteer to make choices to participate in our projects.
47:50Autumn (Neuralink)As you see, sometimes they choose not to participate, and that's okay. We want to make sure that our animals are happy and healthy. So all of the behavioral research that we do is led by positive reinforcement.
48:06Autumn (Neuralink)And again, that allows for them to choose to volunteer or not.
48:10ModeratorSam's also on our animal care team. Sam, do you have anything to add to that?
48:13Sam (Neuralink)Hi, I'm Sam, one of the veterinarians here, work closely with Autumn taking care of the animals. And yeah, it's just emphasizing what Autumn said. The whole animal care program here, in fact, the whole company here is very dedicated to providing, promoting the care of these animals.
48:29Sam (Neuralink)We, you know, everybody's involved, everybody's very interested in making sure that they're taken care of. And yeah, the program from Top to bottom is designed to make sure that they can express their species specific behaviors, express, you know, choose to do things.
48:45Sam (Neuralink)We don't force things upon them as much as possible. And yeah, that's why you see the pigs happily rooting around the straw right now and generally being very content.
48:54ModeratorThey do have those natural little smiles on their faces which is ever delightful. Next question is what programming language are you guys using for developing the device?
49:08DJ SeoSeveral. We use several different types of programming languages. So for chip development, a lot of Verilog, for doing low level programming at the kind of the register transfer level.
49:22DJ SeoAs you go up higher and higher there are, you know, various C, C, Python. But to be honest, like at the end of the day it's not, you know, which programming language do you know how to use, it's do you know, the principles behind, you know, coming up with just methods to enable these systems to work.
49:42DJ SeoSo I think, you know, if you have any experience in programming and you've been building things since you were little, you should really come join us.
49:50Elon MuskYeah, but can I play Crisis? Eventually it can play Crisis.
49:59Robin (Neuralink)Cool.
50:00ModeratorCrisis confirmed. And then Ian, what about. Yeah, Ian, what about the robot? What kind of programming languages and tech stacks are you using over there?
50:09Ian (Neuralink)I mean, sort of just reiterating what DJ said, sort of doesn't matter. Like specifically for us, it's, there's real time low level platform C, some Java and Python scripts, but really those are more just like pragmatic choices to essentially optimize for getting like productive work done.
50:29Ian (Neuralink)So it doesn't really matter what your background is or necessarily what the tools you use are. It's more just can you like accomplish things really quickly?
50:40ModeratorAwesome. This next question is from this is Rex. They're wondering, can this device be used to explain consciousness in the long term?
50:50Elon MuskOf course I can certainly shed some light on consciousness.
50:54Neuralink TeamThis is a really interesting question. I think the answer is yes. And I think one of the reasons that consciousness is so hard is because like anything in physics, you're looking at a mapping from X to Y where X is the neuronal correlates.
51:03Neuralink TeamIt's the thing that's happening than physically. And then why is this phenomenal state? And historically we've been unable to observe the neuronal correlates very well. And unless it's in you, we've been unable to observe the phenomenal state.
51:13Neuralink TeamSo as soon as you were able, neuroscientists are able to personally get these tools where they can see the correlates and they can have the experience, I think the hard problem will vanish very quickly.
51:25Elon MuskWhat I find remarkable is that the universe started out as like quarks and leptons, we'll call it, like, you know, hydrogen. And hydrogen evolved, and somewhere along the way that hydrogen started talking and thought it was conscious.
51:41Neuralink TeamI like the joke that it turns out that if you bombard Earth with photons for long enough, it'll emit a Tesla.
51:46Elon MuskExactly. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
51:57ModeratorJust basic science, guys. Yeah. Just teach you in school. Yeah. So there's a lot of Twitter comments coming in about a question that I think is on everyone's mind, no pun intended.
52:11ModeratorWhat is the security of the device look like? What kind of precautions are being taken, and what does the future look like for the security of the system?
52:23DJ SeoSo, first and foremost, privacy and security are top priorities at Neuralink, especially given the sensitivity of the data that we're collecting. And one of the things that we're ensuring is to make sure that a lot of the interactions with the brain data is going to be encrypted and authenticated properly.
52:43DJ SeoAnd I think this has been kind of a sort of recurring theme. But one of the things that we have the ability to do at neuralink is that we work on every layer of the product from chip design to source code.
52:56DJ SeoAnd it really gives us a unique opportunity to embed security as part of our design from the get go and to make sure that there are no single points of failure.
53:06DJ SeoSo as an example, we can actually completely isolate sensitive modules like the BLE radio by just segregating it out at the hardware level and really making sure that we protect the IO to the brain away from any potential attacks and really minimizing the attack surface.
53:25DJ SeoAnd, you know, we have in house security expertise and we're also working with external parties to, you know, do audits and perform penetration testing.
53:38ModeratorExcellent. Thank you. Dj.
53:40Elon MuskWell, actually, is there, is there any. Is there a point that anybody here wants to make that has not been asked in a question, but you think should be a question?
53:48Elon MuskHey, Martin. Yeah.
53:52Zach (Neuralink)So, hey, I'm Zach. I work on microfabrication team. I help making implants. And one thing that I think is really cool, just in general, is that, you know, this is a platform essentially, so we can change the design up in a variety of ways.
54:06Zach (Neuralink)So if we find that a certain design or electrode size or number of electrodes works better in different areas of the brain, we have the capability to do that.
54:13Zach (Neuralink)I personally think that's very cool.
54:16ModeratorFantastic. Anyone else? Dan do you have something to add?
54:19Neuralink TeamYeah, I think one of the things that's allowed us to make such fast progress in the last few months is the use of pigs as a model. And we started out using, choosing pigs because of very similar anatomy of their skull to humans, same thickness and similar kind of membrane, dural membrane.
54:35Neuralink TeamBut then as time went on, we realized that pigs are actually have amazing other properties. You can train them to walk on treadmills, you can train them to do all kinds of tricks.
54:45Neuralink TeamAnd also that they have this large representation of the snout in the cortex, which you can very easily stimulate. So the question would be, why are we using pigs?
54:53Neuralink TeamAnd I think we've even surprised ourselves at how useful they are as a model in this respect. And another important point is that it's very easy to keep pigs happy.
55:04Neuralink TeamThey. They have very low needs, and so we can build an environment in which they have amazingly good welfare.
55:13ModeratorThey seem very happy about food.
55:14Elon MuskYeah, it's easy to make pigs happy, basically. They love food. Pigs really love food. This is a true thing about pigs. So give them some straw and some things to play with and some friends to hang out with and good food and they're, they're, they're happy as pigs.
55:35Elon MuskAnd, and then, yeah, they're. Pigs are actually quite similar to people. So that's, you know, if we're going to figure out things for people, then pigs are a good choice.
55:45Elon MuskAnd they're also, they're quite robust creatures, like little tanks. And. And then I think one of the questions was, like, what? Like, is, Is the device itself robust? And it's like, well, you know, pig, pigs, they bustle around quite a lot and they bump into things and they headbutt each other at times and they're pretty animated.
56:06Elon MuskSo if the device is lasting in the pig, as it lasted there for two months and still going strong, then that's a good sign that the device is robust for people.
56:17ModeratorFantastic. One common theme that's been coming up a lot on these Twitter questions coming in is that of availability. And so Matthias has a specific question on this, which is any estimate of how much it will cost at launch and what price it will reduce to over time.
56:34Elon MuskI think at launch, it's probably going to be. I would say that's not really representative because at first I think it's going to be quite expensive, but that price will very rapidly drop.
56:47Elon MuskAnd I think over time, we want to get the cost, obviously down as low as possible, but I think inclusive of the automated surgery, I think we want to get the price down to a few thousand dollars, something like that.
57:05Elon MuskAnd I think that's possible. I think it should be possible to get it similar to Lasik. And then the device electronics itself, I think will not be very expensive because it actually does use a lot of the parts that are made in extremely high volume in tens of millions of units for smartphones and smart watches and wearables in general.
57:30Robin (Neuralink)Great.
57:31ModeratorSo here's another question about the device. What does the architecture look like? Is it a cpu, arm, cpu? What's going on inside the device that you can talk about?
57:40ModeratorDJ
57:44Paul (Neuralink)I can talk a little bit about the digital architecture. It's fully custom. One of the most difficult challenges, I think, of building an implant is the energy density. So the more electrodes you record from, the more energy you're going to be consuming.
58:00Paul (Neuralink)And so there's just, there was nothing commercial out there. So there's an analog front end that's able to amplify these really small signals, like microvolt range, so that we can actually digitize them and then take those signals and then find exactly what we're looking for.
58:14Paul (Neuralink)And there was nothing out there that could basically do those two things. And so that's why we had to build a full custom asic. And so there's really, there's nothing, you know, like it out there.
58:25Paul (Neuralink)It's designed specifically to record signals from the brain and anything else is, would just be wasting energy.
58:34DJ SeoYeah. So the thing that I would add to that is so there are obviously elements that we customize from ground up, like our neural amplifiers and some of the algorithms that we develop.
58:44DJ SeoBut a lot of the other systems around it are really borrowing from parts that are already been productionized and available from the wearables industry. So BLE radio, a lot of the low power microprocessors that are part of it, a lot of small sensors.
58:59DJ SeoSo there are obviously the neural sensors that we're developing that gives us kind of a unique data set for our applications. But really a lot of that is getting packaged up and, you know, just not really resisting the industry that's been sort of been laid out to really create these devices with very short amount of time.
59:23ModeratorSo here's another question about the integrity of the device, more from a mechanical perspective. So, so you're replacing a piece of bone and replacing it with an implant and then the person is going to take that home.
59:35ModeratorHow does the integrity of the device fare compared to, I don't know, bone or something similar?
59:43Robin (Neuralink)Sure. Well, I think Matt's probably replaced a lot of pieces of skull with plastic and other materials. So I don't know if you can talk about some of those.
59:52Robin (Neuralink)But yeah, basically, I mean, we know what the mechanical properties of bone are and we know what the stresses on the device are going to be. So it's fairly easy to just go from first principles and design for any condition that it might see.
1:00:09Elon MuskI mean, as you can see from the pigs, as I was saying earlier, the implants are obviously very robust because pigs move around vigorously, they roll around, they bang into the wall, they bang into each other, they do like headbutting and way more than people do, so.
1:00:28Elon MuskWell, sure, but you know, it's not like the pigs are just walking around very delicately. They're high energy creatures. And I think it's clear that the implants are, has been going for a few months, still going strong despite a lot of vigorous activity from the pig.
1:00:48Elon MuskAnd, and it's difficult. You can't just explain to the pig, hey, you've got an implant in your head, why don't you take care of it? So it's got to be robust against a lot of head impacts, essentially.
1:01:02Elon MuskSo I think maybe one of the things that isn't super obvious is that the implant itself is attached to the skull, but the electrodes have long threads. So you can have quite a lot of movement, relative movement between the brain and the skull without putting attention on the electrodes that are inserted in the, in the cortex.
1:01:22Elon MuskSo. Well, let's see with that. Maybe a couple more questions or if anybody wants to make some comments and then we'll call it a day.
1:01:29Felix DekuSo I just want to add to what you just said. So the thread is actually also in the brain also because of their thinness, they're actually very flexible. And so as the pig is moving around and banging your head, the, the threads actually move with the brain, even the normal pulsation of the brain.
1:01:47Felix DekuAnd that help minimize stress within the brain tissue also. And that has a long term impact on the functionality of the device.
1:01:56Robin (Neuralink)Zach, how long are the threads?
1:02:00Zach (Neuralink)Well, right now they're about 43 millimeters, but like I said, it's tunable. So if we want to hit deep brain regions or some other brain area, we totally can do that.
1:02:09Neuralink TeamJust to follow up on what Felix said about the threads moving around with the brain, I mean, that's great for protecting the threads, but it equally serves to protect the tissue around it.
1:02:17Neuralink TeamWe have a lot of different ways to image the tissue around the threads and iterate very quickly on doing Things to them that will improve the overall biocompatibility.
1:02:27ModeratorAs a closing question, I thought we might go down the line, starting with Dan. And what I'm wondering is what is the number one thing on your wish list that you're really hoping that the neuralink device will do over time that you're working towards?
1:02:38Neuralink TeamSo my background is in visual neuroscience. And one of the things I think has great potential for the neuralink is to provide a visual prosthesis for people who have retinal injury or blindness through eye injury.
1:02:51Neuralink TeamYou can essentially plug a camera directly into the visual cortex and stimulate with an enormous array of thousands or maybe tens of thousands of electrodes to recreate a visual image.
1:03:03Neuralink TeamAnd in time, perhaps you can use that same technology in people who haven't lost vision to produce some kind of heads up display, something like Terminator or something like that.
1:03:13ModeratorWonderful.
1:03:14Elon MuskIn fact, it's worth saying that like over time we could actually give somebody supervision. Like you could have like ultraviolet or infrared or CN radar, basically name your frequency.
1:03:26Elon MuskYou can just dynamically adjust the sensor or have sensors that feed into the visual cortex across a wide range of frequencies and actually have superhuman vision.
1:03:40DJ SeoYeah. So for me, telepathy. So I think it's incredible amount of effort to put your thoughts into a set of words and you know, it comes out completely compress.
1:03:52DJ SeoSo being able to do that seamlessly without being able to compress it with all of the mechanisms would be great.
1:03:59Elon MuskYeah, it's like just a. Sorry to add further to that. In fact, when I did the Wait but why article, I think Tim thought I said consensual telepathy, but I said conceptual telepathy.
1:04:15Elon MuskWe presume it would be consensual because you definitely don't want just people, you know, sending stuff into your brain without your consent. But a lot of our brain thought capacity is, goes into compressing our thoughts into words.
1:04:34Elon MuskAnd then you think of like the data rate of words. Words are a very slow, very low data rate. And we're putting a tremendous amount of mental energy into compressing the concepts and thoughts in our head into words.
1:04:46Elon MuskAnd then slowly talking speech is so very, very slow. And we could actually send the true thoughts that we can obviously have far better communication because we can convey the actual concepts, the actual thoughts uncompressed to somebody else.
1:05:02ModeratorSo non linguistic consensual and conceptual telepathy.
1:05:06Elon MuskExactly. Non linguistic, consensual conceptual telepathy.
1:05:10ModeratorThere we go.
1:05:12Ian (Neuralink)I've actually been excited from the beginning, sort of about the side benefit of these Devices, I sort of see them as essentially like an oscilloscope to a printed circuit board is our device to the brain, where just by virtue of having us in there and being able to see what's actually going on, you'll end up learning a ton about how the brain works.
1:05:29Ian (Neuralink)And so sort of augmenting people, but also just using that to learn a lot more about like neurological diseases is really exciting to me.
1:05:37ModeratorAbsolutely.
1:05:39Paul (Neuralink)So to sort of follow up on Elon's thoughts, I feel, and I imagine a lot of other people feel the same way, that there's a lot of sort of trapped creativity in your mind.
1:05:48Paul (Neuralink)You know, you can, for example, you know, close your eyes and conjure up like an incredible, like Dali esque scene. But you know, if I wanted to actually show someone that it would, yeah, it would take years of, you know, honing a craft to be able to paint that.
1:06:01Paul (Neuralink)And so, you know, potential with enough electrodes in the right places, you could begin to sort of tap into those raw concepts or thought vectors and be able to decode that and show people.
1:06:12Paul (Neuralink)It could be for art, you imagine, music, or even for engineering, like a three dimensional model.
1:06:18ModeratorSo mental artistry is a new field.
1:06:23Neuralink TeamI like to think about ways to interface devices with biology better. And so one of the things I'm looking forward to is getting this thing to be less look less like technology and more like biology, so that it really is, you know, seamlessly interface with the brain stable for a very long time.
1:06:42Neuralink TeamAnd then similar to that, having stimulation be much more precise and multidimensional, such that eventually the brain sort of doesn't really know if it's being stimulated from outside or inside and.
1:06:55Neuralink TeamAnd you end up just sort of completely merging.
1:06:59Robin (Neuralink)Wow.
1:07:01Joey O'DohertyYeah. You know, following up on stimulation, one of the things our device can do is simultaneously read and write on every channel, stimulate and record. And that's both a more challenging problem than it may seem like at first, but also incredibly exciting.
1:07:17Joey O'DohertyThe sort of the vistas that it opens up, I mean, it's really kind of the whole game in terms of interaction, interfacing with the nervous system. And I'm very excited to use that.
1:07:27Robin (Neuralink)Yeah, I'm excited just because of the scalability of the device. We're doing everything in house and all of it can scale to more channels, more brain regions, et cetera.
1:07:37Robin (Neuralink)I think. Yeah, I'm really interested about solving things related to anxiety or depression or even like removing fear. Like I'm an athlete and to like rock climb without fear would be pretty,
1:07:47Elon Muskmaybe A little bit of fear, just a little.
1:07:50Robin (Neuralink)And also it'd be great if we could make the pigs fly. But
1:07:56Matthew MacDougallI think we have an incredible opportunity to limit human suffering to a tiny fraction of what it is today in all kinds of different avenues. Pain being the essence of suffering, we might be able to control that finally.
1:08:13Matthew MacDougallAnd so many other diseases, so much other suffering in the world. I think the neuralink device could help a lot with.
1:08:21ModeratorAmazing.
1:08:22Elon MuskI think all these things are great functions for a neural link. I think on a species level basis, I think it's going to be important for us to figure out how we coexist with advanced artificial intelligence.
1:08:40Elon MuskAnd, you know, I think achieving some kind of AI symbiosis where you have an AI extension of yourself, like a tertiary layer above the limbic system and cortex. And having that, having that symbiosis be good, such that the future of the world is controlled by the combined will of the people of Earth.
1:09:05Elon MuskI think that that's obviously going to be the future that we want, presumably is the sum of our collective will. And so I think it's going to be important from an existential threat standpoint to achieve a good AI symbiosis.
1:09:20Elon MuskAnd that's what I think might be the most important thing that a device like this achieves.
1:09:29Neuralink TeamI have in many ways a very basic science interest, which is I'm really interested in the nature of consciousness and that there's a lot of very silly philosophy that's been written about it over the last thousand years.
1:09:41Neuralink TeamBut I think that it's really. We've been very limited by the tools and our ability to interrogate and measure the brain. And as these tools get better, it will pull it into the realm of physics.
1:09:50Neuralink TeamAnd it's really one of the last big great mysteries in science.
1:09:57Felix DekuSo for me, can you imagine a disease free future, a future where you know what's going to happen to you before it happens, so you can prevent it? With these devices, we'll be able to not just pick up electrical signals, but we can also pick up chemical clues in the brain.
1:10:12Felix DekuAnd if you're successful, which I know we are, we're able to kind of prevent ahead of time, you know, diseases. And really the functionality of the device is widespread.
1:10:26Felix DekuSo I'm looking forward to the future.
1:10:29Zach (Neuralink)I'm really excited about the opportunity to help people overcome challenges that they face through life circumstances, bad luck through no fault of their own, spinal cord injury, brain disease, some devastating things that completely change your life.
1:10:42Zach (Neuralink)Hopefully we can help them get some function back.
1:10:48Autumn (Neuralink)I know and love many humans with autism spectrum disorder, so I'm really interested to see how the Neuralink might be able to support them if they chose to do that.
1:11:02Sam (Neuralink)Yeah. So, I mean, everyone else along the line has had amazing ideas and suggestions, and for me, it's about memories, and everyone loses those memories over time. I already can't remember what happened to me when I was younger, and it'll only get worse.
1:11:18Sam (Neuralink)And so having a repository of memories that you can access whenever you want, if you're feeling down, you can go access some good memories. If you miss something or miss somebody, you can go and access those memories.
1:11:27Sam (Neuralink)And I think that would just be such a life changing experience to be able to just tap into that.
1:11:34ModeratorThose are such a beautiful and diverse array of answers there.
1:11:38Elon MuskYeah. All right, well, thanks for tuning in. And as I said, please consider working at Neuralink and helping us solve these problems. There's a tremendous amount of work to be done to go from here to advice that is available, widely available, and affordable and reliable.
1:11:56Elon MuskSo please consider joining us and supporting us in our mission. Thank you very much.