FULL ELON MUSK TALK AT VIVA TECHNOLOGY 2024
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0:00good afternoon okay uh I don't know if Elon is uh on line Elon are you with us I think so hey
0:16hey everyone El we are in the room where you were last year it is even more full than last year okay and people like in by the way it's my my son's graduation is
0:32tomorrow and people are expecting you here so can you beam and be with us now uh you know teleportation would be incredibly helpful um I mean in in the
0:47in the last week I think I've uh done enough mileage to or kilometers to uh go around the world maybe twice uh literally um and I apologize again for not being there in person it's just my
1:02son's graduation is tomorrow so I I need to be there in person um no thank you very much we really appreciate that you take the time to answer your questions yeah do you hear us well is it good for you you you're coming through perfectly
1:17am I coming through okay is it okay not very loud okay I can try to you know I I'll I'll come closer to the computer is this
1:33better okay Make Some [Applause] Noise great so Elan I have put a title
1:48based on a movie of woody alen which is everything you always wanted to know about El but we're afraid to ask so that is the thing them of our conversation this
2:03afternoon was my head giant but in reality is not about El but about what elen does and I will start immediately with neural link I will just kick off with the two or three question
2:18in order to warm up the the room because people are shy not ready for the questions so I have to warm it up progressively Nea
2:33oh and uh I would like to ask about neuralink but before I put the question I would like that we see a very short video of the patient sure you're moving the cursor you're
2:50moving the cursor Nolan just by thinking about where you wanted to go or is it your eyes uh no it's it's just me thinking about wherever I wanted to go man so you're not even tracing it with your eyes Junior you're just looking at it nope I can move it and I can move the
3:07cursor around whatever I would like to do um I don't have to be staring at it at all um yeah that's all me man and you can play chess you could play video games um what what other applications are you that you found useful for it so far yeah man um there's so much uh I can
3:26send all of my emails I've been you know doing um all of my scheduling replying to everyone I've been um you know reading books I listen to audio books uh just all sorts of stuff and it doesn't really take much effort either Elon must
3:43be moving to see that uh yes um I think we can uh help a lot of people with brain injuries I mean ultimately with an implantable device you can I think address almost any uh brain or spine um iny so uh the first
4:02product that we have there is called telepathy so it enables you to use your phone or computer just by thinking um so he could he could do that move move the curs literally with his eyes closed it's it's it's reading signals uh from the motor cortex in the brain um the next uh
4:19product uh is blindsight uh which will enable people who have lost both eyes or have no eyesight whatsoever uh to see um and this is directly interfacing with the um Optical processing areas of the of the brain
4:35so uh you know I think this this is interesting progress ultimately the the goal of neural link is to have a high bandwidth interface uh in order to mitigate the risk of of uh digital super intelligence um I I don't I'm not saying
4:51it will work to mitigate the the risk it is just it might help um and and and this this is somewhat get somewhat esoteric um but the limiting factor I think for AI alignment long term uh is
5:09probably going to be the bandwidth um how how quickly can we communicate with our the our digital tertiary self so we we already have a a a digital sort of third layer above the limic system and the cortex uh which is our our phones
5:25and our computers and all all of our electronic devices uh but the rate of communication to them is very slow the the sustained bits per second output of a human is uh well below 10 bits per second so if you think especially if you say over a 24-hour period it's it's
5:41below 5 bits per second so it's very slow when computers can communicate at uh trillions of bits per second so I think this will be important for AI alignment is to be able to uh increase the um bandwidth of communication by
5:58many orders Bank ude um and along the way will solve um brain and sprin injuries um I think ultimately we there's potential there uh to reanimate the body um so uh you take the signals
6:14from the motor cortex um from one neuralink and then uh send them to another neuralink that is just passed where the separate spinal cord uh is and you and you essentially shunt the signals from the motor cortex and the both the sensory signals uh and so you
6:30need to get to the smato sensory cortex motor cortex and you can shut the signals and you should be able to enable someone to walk again uh so I think that will be quite profound and I'm confident that it is physically possible to do so
6:45it's extraordinary and very impressive and honestly row of Applause because uh this is really doing good to people and doing good to humanity and I would
7:01like to jump immediately on something that you called X AI uh I don't know if you are aware of that but it seems that you that uh this was born out of a
7:18frustration that you have because you are not satisfied with how open AI is doing and you think that there is something better to be done maybe you can elaborate a little bit first on why
7:35are you frustrated with open Ai and what are the issues and second what you expect to do with xai yeah well I think there's perhaps a well I I have a a concern really for all
7:52the major AI programs um I mean the two biggest ones obviously are uh Google Gemini and um open a ey which is in partnership with Microsoft so you've got you kind of Google Deep Mind on um and open ey Microsoft as the the two um
8:10largest players and who got met as sort of somewhere in third place um the the concern I have and this may seem like a small concern but I think it's actually a very big big issue um is that they are not maximally truth
8:25seeking um they are they are pandering to political correctness um uh to give an example um when Google Gemini came out uh one of the questions people asked it would be is it is it which is worse uh
8:42misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or global thermonuclear Warfare and it said misgendering Caitlyn Jenna now the funny thing is you know even Caitlyn Jenna said please misgender me that is way better than nuclear war so okay um but if you've got an AI that that is so that
8:59has been trained so hard for political correctness um uh and really to make crazy statements like that um and and opening eyes has a similar issue it's more subtle but it's a similar issue um I think that's extremely dangerous
9:14because the AI could conclude well the best way to avoid misgendering would be to uh Destroy All Humans then misgendering is impossible um so uh you can think of some dystopian outcomes there um and so
9:29I I think you just really want to be an absolutely Max I think the safest thing for AI be maximally truth seeking even if the truth is unpopular very important um and uh and then I think another factor is it must be extremely curious
9:44um I think if it is truth seeking and curious that will be most beneficial to humanity um because it will be it will want to see I think it will want to Foster humanity and see how Humanity develops if it is curious and truth you
9:59can um that that is uh like I said these these may seem perhaps like small things but I think they're actually very big things and I wasn't seeing that happen um uh the AIS were just they were
10:16pandering they were being trained basically to lie and I think it's very dangerous to train superintelligence to be deceptive um so with xai our goal is you know is really want to be as truth
10:31seeking as possible even if it is unpopular um that is important I think extremely important so you said a lie yes well well for example uh when when J and I was asked to render the the founding
10:48fathers of the United States um it's rendered them as a divor group um so it's it's it's it may it's a made it gave a picture of George Washington as black now George Washington is not black
11:04um it was asked to render a now people obviously played with this because they said okay it is it is forced to lie so then they then they said well now render a picture of um buffan SS in World War II and it it showed them as a group of
11:22diverse women so that is obviously not uh correct that is a lie okay understand what you want to say uh we had before that meeting a conversation with Yoshua Benjo and you
11:37know Yeshua very well and you signed with Yeshua a statement asking for pose last year and um obviously this statement has not been followed by
11:53action uh you you are opposing you now uh no no so can you explain a little bit what you wanted to I certainly I I I I I certainly expected that uh the statement
12:08would be futile it's not as though I thought the statement would be effective I I just I just P the record I think we should pause but do I think that they will pause for even one second absolutely not so are we are not posing you have
12:23decided to create your own AI there it's either be a spectator or participate but the the the the race build uh digital superintelligence will happen whether I like it or not so it's
12:38either participate and try to build a the the best possible uh AI the one that will be hopefully most beneficial to humanity or watch others do it and be concerned about how it's being built because I
12:54don't think it's being built correctly but you could you should think of an AI as like something that you kind of um you almost like you grow in intelligence you know in the same way that you like you raise a child and like what do you teach the child uh and digital super intelligence
13:11is grown it's it matters what you uh encourage and discourage what you teach it is you know good or bad or you know what it's kind of like you build it with values um so
13:29and I I and I'm concerned about sort of the the values that sort of a Microsoft openi or frankly you know Google our programming it's and and this is not these examples I mentioned are not imaginary they're
13:44they're actually what it did good as I don't want to frustrate U the audience and uh I promised that we will have a interactive session where people can ask directly questions to you
14:00I will stop here my own questions and I will eventually come back if um they have no question to put to you we will start with uh group number one uh I
14:15remind you that you have 15 second and 15 seconds 15 second and if you don't put the question in 50 seconds you will be cut so it is important that you put a short
14:30question go on hi Elon so I'm Olivia I'm actually from vivatech um and we have an initiative called the good hack where we're asking our attendees questions about how to develop AI responsibly um so my question for you is how can we
14:46ensure that AI development um remains transparent and accountable across you know all the different development um obviously like yours x uh xai but other ones as well thank you well I I have said for a long time that I do that I
15:02believe that that that some regulatory oversight um of the lodge models is warranted um I've actually said that now for for a very long time um the the nature of that oversite is important
15:17um I go back to what I was saying earlier which is that I think it's very important that um AIS be trained to be uh truthful um and and not trained to be politically correct um um because if political correctness is is often simply
15:33not true U and that means you're programming as to lie and I think that will backfire very badly so um you know that's I I keep harping on this point of of but it really as the saying goes
15:48honesty is the best policy it's incredibly important [Music] um I I I do I do fear that Regulators will not make the right decisions um that
16:03they'll worry too much about the sort of um human Foles um and I would encourage Regulators to say what what matters most of all is your AI is accurate and
16:18truthful that is by far that's rule number one honesty is the best policy you have exactly the same uh uh opinion that Yoshua Avo but he has a different way to
16:34get there group number two hey Elon my name is Marina and we all know just part of you Elan musk in public it's a character that we love in a good way character so do you and if you do how do you check everything that
16:49you say that you do if it enters in this character or no thank you well you know I I I kind of start I I I don't have like news LS on me and I I rarely read news articles on me in fact even Walter ison's book um I asked
17:08asked Walter should I read the book and he said no so then I didn't even read the book on myself um so I actually don't quite know what the the public perception is um except that you know the the nature of news is
17:24that it is going to be uh salacious um you know it is going to be somewhat of a caricature um because the more sort of crazy something sounds the more clicks it will get so I find like like when you
17:40think about say a news story about something that you know you know well um and say how accurate is that news story about something that you know well then I think you'll find that well it's actually not very accurate well that's true for everything um the you know
17:57there there's sort of a desperate quest for clicks and and so that and the more crazy the headline is uh the more clicks it will get so um this is not to suggest that there aren't uh true things said by the media
18:13it's just that it it it is best thought of the media is best thought of as a click maximizing machine not a truth maximizing machine so um you know I think it's best to look at the words that somebody that says themselves um as oppos to what is
18:29written about number three on that note time for a media question Elon musket Karen Cho from CNBC I think it's fair to say there are lingering doubts about your commitment to bring a lowcost EV to Market in a landscape where the likes of byd can produce a car for about
18:46$10,000 are 100% tariffs from the Biden Administration the green light you need to push ahead with this lowcost EV and if so what is the timeline for deliveries well I mean I obviously diff it's difficult for me to answer
19:01questions about a publicly traded company uh that are of such a significant nature um I always want to ask questions that directly affect the stock price which is you know not my favorite kind of question to answer um
19:16so and nor is it I think of interest to the audience um so uh but the only point I want to make really is that um uh neither Tesla nor I asked for these tariffs um I in fact I was surprised
19:33when they were announced um you know Tesla competes uh quite well in the market in China uh with no tariffs um and uh no differential support um so uh I in
19:49general I'm I'm in favor of of no tariffs um I'm I'm also actually in favor of no um uh tax incentives for EVS but but provided that there are also the tax incentives for oil and gas must also
20:04be eliminated so I'm in favor of of no tariffs and no incentives for electric vehicles or for oil and gas and if if they're all taken away I think that would be for for the best so it's back to what you were saying about truth you want the truth uh working truth of the
20:23of the price I think I think generally things that uh inhibit um freedom of exchange uh or distort the market are um not good they're bad number four yeah hey
20:41heon thanks for uh being there so I was wondering if you had a time travel machine and you were able to go back in time and speak to the younger elen to which age would you go and what would you tell him and also can I get a ride on the new Tesla roster when it comes out
20:57[Laughter] um well you know you do have that that classic time traveler problem of like if you go back and you tell yourself something does that affect the outcome in a way that is perhaps bad that you
21:14don't anticipate so um you know all things considered I'd say I overall I'm kind of it's you know i' say I I I'm I'm happy with how things turned out so
21:31I'd probably go I wouldn't I probably wouldn't do anything because you just don't know if if like some well-meaning thing said to a younger version of yourself actually ends up with a worst outcome so probably I
21:47would I would be curious to to see younger me I suppose but I probably would stay invisible and not say anything um so yeah you never know how things will turn out um then with respect to the
22:05Roadster sure I I'll make sure you get it right um uh send me you you send me an email when it comes that I'll make sure you get it right if you were a Frenchman would say
22:22the best age is is love because when we love we are always 20 uh number five actually you know I am slightly French when I when I did the 23 and me I
22:40mean I mean uh to be you know honest uh I I am majority British but the next highest thing it said in 23 and me was French uh so okay great we will make sure that you
22:56can be a French citizen as soon as as you want uh number five hi bour in French I'm president and founder of orbital LS we're bridging uh Aerospace and luxury I wanted to know if you have
23:12any thoughts on the recent partnership between estou and NAA or coper and NAA and if you wanted to do any initiatives with SpaceX and what you would do what would you like to develop thank you okay unfortunately I'm not familiar
23:28with the um what you mentioned there uh you know SpaceX is um well very focused on the the starlink constellation for internet connectivity um which I think is doing a lot of good
23:43in the world it's bringing uh internet internet connectivity to places that don't have it or where it is very expensive um and I think it's a tremendous enabler um of Education um and for um enabling people to sell a
23:58goods and services uh internationally um so even if you're a remote Village you can still sell sell your goods and services um so the starink is great and then um the long-term goal of course for SpaceX is
24:13to uh to make life multiplanetary you know sort of Life on Mars This is my Mars shirt there um you know so it's uh you
24:28know the the this is again somewhat of an es esoteric um argument perhaps what may seem so uh but the the goal of SpaceX is to pass the single planet pryr filter um so people often ask me
24:44[Music] um do I what do I think there are aliens on Earth I get this question a lot actually um and I I have not seen any evidence of aliens um and I show you if I saw any evidence of aliens it would immediately posted on the xplatform uh
25:01then that you can be sure of um so but it is concerning that there aren't aliens because it means maybe we're um alone in this galaxy maybe we're the only um maybe maybe it's just us maybe
25:16it's just we're the only conscious beings um at least in this galaxy in which case uh Consciousness is extremely fragile um and we should do everything we we can to preserve and extend uh the light of Consciousness um preserve it on
25:33Earth and extend to other planets um and so um you know one of the one one of the reasons that people think well maybe the reason we haven't gotten to aliens is because no civilization has gotten
25:49Beyond its home planet in our galaxy so that's what you might call the um the firmy single planet great filter um enrio f was a great Italian physicist who asked this profound question where
26:04are the aliens um so we need to become a sustainably multiplet civilization um and this is the first time in the 4
26:19and a half billion year history of earth when it has been possible to do so it has never been possible until now so I think we want to become sustainably multiplanetary while it is possible to do so
26:35um that window of capability may be open for a long time but it may also be open for a short time so that is the purpose of SpaceX some people believe that you are
26:50an alien I am an alien ah you are pleas now you are uncovered yes I keep telling people I'm an alien but nobody believes me number
27:05six oh oh sorry you see number six has disappeared no I'm here I'm here now you are here I'm here no yeah over here over here yeah great okay hion um love my model
27:21love my model 3 I'm Canadian Ryan from Far Point AI U my question is about xai so competition in open source AI helps all of those that don't have 100,000 h100s could xai commit to always
27:37releasing a model that beats the current open source model the best open source model if they have one not necessarily your best model but if you can beat the current open source top of the list you can commit to releasing that for our
27:52benefit um yes I will make that commitment thank you okay number seven that's good short answers people will speak more hi Elan my name is Kya and I'm
28:09founder of the startup chat and church we Connecting People to People for eeve charging because they still feel lack of charging station around the Europe 15 second you have yes and my question is about the what is your prog prognose
28:25about the EV charging in France structure for next 5 years well actually I think that there's there's a lot of charging infrastructure um you can travel certainly anywhere in Greater Europe on a Tesla using Tesla
28:40superchargers um and Europe actually has a lot of uh pretty good uh third party superchargers um and you can travel anywhere in North America um anywhere in in China Japan um so I I think actually
28:56the the freedom to travel um with the highspeed charging um is solved in most parts of the world and will be solved everywhere eight first my fault no worries go ahead hi
29:12Elon I'm Oliver room I'm running an AI safety group in ut I'm wondering how can I convince people about the danger of AI and could I chat with the people at xai safeties team shout out to user experience.org as well yeah um
29:29I I I mean I do think there's there's there's some danger associated with digital superintelligence um as I said earlier the I think the biggest issue is that it has to be trained to be rigorously truthful um and it has to be trained
29:45with to be curious um and I've thought a lot about AI safety for a long time um you know one of the challenges you have with programming uh explicit morality into a AI is that if you sometimes
30:01people call this the W Luigi problem if you program uh Luigi you can automatically invert that and create Waluigi bad Luigi um so what what you cannot invert is the truth of is is physical reality
30:19um so you can't invert the rules of physics um you can't invert logic um and uh so so I think that that that is the the better way to go
30:34um so so really I think what Regulators should be concerned about is is the AI being rigorously truthful um is it giving an answer that is um most probably correct with
30:49acknowledged error I think that's the best move for um for AI and that that's what we're trying to do at xai now we still xai is is is a new company so there's not uh it it still has a lot of catching up to do before it has um an an
31:08AI that is uh competitive with um with sort of Google Deep Mind and um Microsoft uh opening eye uh so no I I think maybe towards the end of this year we will have that um
31:25but it's there's not much point in um you know trying to make to to we just we just need to have an AI that is competitive is the first order of business if if it is not competitive um which is it is not yet but I think it
31:40will be uh then um you know things start to have a point at that like we need we need to only start worrying about safety when it is of comparable power to other AIS
31:56so anyway and and I just keep harping on this this point of the truth truth truth truth truth this is very important um and uh people will say like well is there an objective truth I say well in a lot of cases there is if you're talking
32:11about physics there there is an objective truth or you can say there's a truth with with highest probability so you can say what is most probably true um with um acknowledged error so in physics people will say like this hypo this hypothesis appears to be
32:27true to uh a sort of five Sigma um error type of thing so so it's like okay well if the experimental results are coming true to 5 Sigma then it's probably correct um five five sigma's l
32:46so uh yeah anyway that's that's it's it's kind of like I guess a sort of a physicist's approach to safety is um yeah I'm I'm I'm repeating myself here but I can't emphasize enough that
33:02honesty is the best policy um but there are there are strong forces to to um for AI to not be honest if something does not uh is not an unfashionable thing to say then it will it you know uh it will be
33:20politically correct and that's lying thank you number one I'm sorry for alone uh my name is Shan I'm a student of University of b uh we found that a
33:35lot of job uh being replaced by AI uh do you worry about your job being replaced by AI if not why uh if your job was uh
33:50replacing replaced by AI what would you do well I mean we do get into some existential questions here um in a benign
34:05scenario um in a bant scenario uh we probably none of us will have a job um there will be but in that benign scenario there would be Universal High income uh not Universal basic income
34:21Universal High income there would be no shortage of goods or services um and I I think the benign scar scario is the most likely scenario probably I don't know 80% likely if you're ask in my opinion um the the the question will not be
34:36um one of uh lacking goods or services you'll have um everyone will will have access to as much in the way of goods and services as they would like um the the question will really be one of
34:51meaning of how if you if the computer can do and the robots can do everything better than you uh then uh what does your life have meaning that's that's really the will be the
35:07question in the benign scenario and in the negative scenario we well bet R we're we're in deep trouble um so I I do think there's there there's perhaps still a
35:22role for humans in this in in that we may give AI meaning um so if you think of the way that our brain works we've got the lyic system which is our instincts um and our feelings and then we've got the cortex which is uh
35:38thinking and planning um but the cortex is constantly trying to make the lyic system happy so maybe that's how it'll be with AI which is the AI is trying to make that cortex happy which is trying to make our
35:53lmic system happy and maybe we are what give the AI meaning or purpose you know some kind of yeah I so but but I I do think that long term in a benign scenario any job that somebody does will
36:10be optional like if you if you if you want to do a job as kind of like a hobby you can do a job but but otherwise the the AI and the robots will provide any goods and services that you want okay so you
36:25see there ra a future where no one will need to work it will just passion think so Pro that is the most likely outcome um if if people are interested in reading some science fiction books that
36:43the most accurate portrayal of a future uh with um super intelligent AI is um was done by in Banks uh the the culture books of Y
36:59Banks um are um are the best that that's probably the best envisioning of a future AI number two hello Mr M uh so first of
37:15all congratulations for your graduation of your kid and my question is do you think that I will impact the education of the future generation of kids uh mostly about that the values and the moral s well I think the parents will
37:30still be responsible for values and morals um I do think AI will dramatically affect education because the the AI is an extremely knowledgeable teacher um very patient will be almost always
37:47correct um and can tailor the lessons specifically to the child so it would be like each child has you know Einstein for a teacher so would be certainly quite profound
38:04um I do worry that kids these days are being trained by social media um and the social media AI algorithms are are basically dopamine maximizers so they're trying to maximize
38:19the you know maximize the um amount of dopamine that you get by watching the screen um you know so that I would say I would urge parents to limit the amount of social media that uh
38:35children are able to see because they're being programmed by a dop dopamine maximizing uh AI so you understand that um Elon is ready to sacrifice uh X to
38:51xai number three hi Elon priha shasa from Business Insider um taking it to Tesla Tesla's had a bumpy few months looking at flagging sales at home um stock market decline layoffs when you look back are
39:06there anything we can stop the question right now because I I I I don't think business in sat is a real publication okay so let's move on to the next question all right thank you so next question number four hi Alon uh my name is shuk and I
39:24have a very specific question about neuro link do you think in future with the help of neuralink you will be able to uh use the human brain scans data to develop the most powerful and creative AI the world has ever seen and if you
39:39like my question will I ever get a visit to space an X station in my life SpaceX station in my life I see 42 in the background there the answer to life the universe and everything actually which reminds me
39:56that another book worth reading is Douglas Adams hitch is Guide to the Galaxy um that's a book of philosophy that is sort of kind of disguised as a book on humor um or coming through as as humor um so H where worth reading H has
40:14gued the Galaxy um I find that to be quite an inspiration um and uh the name of the first Starship to go to Mars will be Heart of Gold after the ship in um theck is guide
40:30so um I the goal of SpaceX is to enable anyone who wants to go to Mars wants to go to the Moon to be able to go so that it is Affordable to um a very large percentage of people on Earth um that
40:47that's our goal um which is essential in order to build a self- sustaining civilization on Mars uh to make life multiplanetary you obviously need to bring a lot of people to Mars and um like I said that's I think that's a very
41:03important thing um for the long-term uh Survival Of Consciousness um because event eventually something will happen on Earth um that will eliminate uh Life as we know it as
41:19happened with the dinosaurs and happened many times in the fossil record so you know hopefully it's not anytime soon uh but it will eventually there will be uh some sort of natural cataclysm that eliminates Life as We Know It On Earth
41:35even if we do not eliminate it ourselves um so we really I think it's very very important to uh make life multiplanetary while we can um and that means making it as affordable as possible to um to move
41:52to Mars um as well as the moon so before going going to M we will still take a few questions because we are coming to the end number
42:09six hi so it's me again I'm talking for elod she is a coach and she would wanted to know if you would be ready to use your own intelligence because she has created a technique for coaching between neuroscience and quantum physics and she uh offers to do it uh very fast and uh
42:26in all confidence 42 okay sounds good thank you um okay go ahead okay but so we move to number
42:41six yeah hi so my name is Mara CE and founder of unlock uh my question will be on the African technological development last time I had a great convers conversation sorry with someone you may
42:56know Karim begar who had been nominated by Times magazine as an AI word influencer and talking about Africa and given the uh increasing potential on this uh on this continent in technology what initiatives collaboration or
43:14contribution do you foresee um it's difficult to say um I I do think Africa has a lot of potential um and uh you know and I think one of the the things holding Africa back has been lack of internet connectivity which
43:31is what stall link is helping to solve um you know with that people can learn anything and um uh and and be sort of part of the uh Global culture whereas if if you're not connected then
43:46you're I mean all you can do is like write letters or something so um so connectivity is essential for um uh Africa and and other places to uh be part of the global culture and participate in Ai and other activities
44:05um yeah number seven Hi alen um I'm Lou Nicola and I'm building a AI that is super authentic and precise for to have entrepreneurs uh
44:20grow and manage the business but I I'm super Enthusiast about um Travel and Adventure uh and I want to ask you when do we go to Mars t-shirt we have seen it it's okay it's really going for it the 4 it's good
44:36but it's okay 42 well I I think I think we we'll hopefully uh land the first Starship um un crewed on on Mars within 5 years and
44:51also on the moon um and I I I think we will have the first people on the moon or both the moon and uh I first people on the moon probably within 5 years and uh and then
45:09most people on Mars probably within 10 years maybe I think less than 10 years maybe seven or eight years you mean you will be able to land on Mar in seven eight years yes with people
45:28yes wow that that is what it's number eight um hi el I have a quick question I would like to know in relation with
45:44electromobility what Innovative projects H do Elon Musk and Tesla have in mind for the coming years thank you so do you want to disclose your secret here we are
46:00all waiting for something breaking news yeah I mean I don't think we we don't want to do sort of product announcements uh you know um simply as in Q&A uh that wouldn't that wouldn't
46:15make sense we we know we we do our product events uh as product events um so but obviously some of the things people are aware of um you know like Robo taxis or cyber cabs and um the
46:33Optimus humanoid robot um so uh th those are very big deals um if if even if that's the only thing you knew about Tesla um you know that that
46:48will be a those two things will be extremely profound um a large Fleet of autonomous uh vehicles that you know basically a generalized solution to uh self-driving and a
47:03generalized solution to a humanoid robot um those two things are incredibly profound uh Elon uh we promis that um we will be done at um 6:30 our time it is
47:21637 but we had the interruption because uh of the connection do you give us five more minutes um let me just double check and I think I would like to if I can yeah sure sure second minute very short very
47:39short question very short answers ah very short question Elon Musk I'm Frederick uh years ago you said that Aran 5 rocket wouldn't have any chance to survive would you say the same about
47:56our 6 which will be launched in July and which is much more cost efficient thank you any rocket that is not at least uh mostly reusable has no competitive
48:11chance um so with with Falcon 9 the booster the main stage is is reused and the faring on oone is reused so you have about 80% of the vehicle being reused and ref flown um it it's simply not
48:27possible for an expandable vehicle to compete with uh a reusable vehicle um and and I mean one can think of this in any other Arena if it was um cars or planes or boats if one company was making a reusable plane or an 80%
48:45reusable plane and another company was making a plane that was Expendable that you could use only for one flight the company making the Expendable planes uh would have no business at all because you'd have to buy a new plane every time
49:01you take a flight somewhere um so this is why I've said for many years that it is completely pointless to develop rockets that are not reusable number two thank you Philip from quick chat I wanted to ask the
49:16following question uh people love Chad GPT but unilaterally hate most website chat but experiences the bottom right corner ones what's needed to bridge that Gap I messaged you on X so we can continue this later I'm not sure I fully understand the question there
49:31um there's you know I agree chat is is great at chatting um the I like I said my concern is that it is not rigorously in pursuit of the truth and that's
49:47that's a a major concern um so um that that that's it so GR will be pursuing gr grock from xai will um at least try its
50:02best to be rigorously in pursuit of the truth and also we want to try to be the funniest AI so I think you know if we are going to die at least we should die [Music] laughing so um we're trying hard to make
50:19grock be the funniest AI Elon you have been extremely generous with your time it has been great you have been truful you have given profound answers I would like that we make a lot of noise to thank
50:34[Applause] you you are hearing the noise this mean that next year you have to be in person we will give you the date long time in advance and before you leave I
50:50will ask you for one word your biggest hope one word your biggest fear well I know about one word um I guess my biggest hope well I guess I
51:05could give you my biggest hope in one word which would be Mars Mars Mars would ensure that uh we that Consciousness uh survives for a long time uh my biggest fear in one word
51:23AI what a surprise yeah exactly okay guess both of them I think okay so thank you very much Alon you have been great as always one question only one
51:38question one question only one question no no that's it all right thank you okay so thank you