Is population decline a problem?

"the biggest issue in 20 years we'll be population collapse"

"Population collapse is 2nd biggest danger to civilization after AI imo"

"Population collapse is potentially the greatest risk to the future of civilization"

"Birth rate collapse is the biggest threat to human civilization"

"the very low birth rate, I think, is actually quite a significant risk"

"look at the birth rate statistics"

"We should be much more worried about population collapse"

"there are too many people this is not true"

"Population collapse is one of the biggest threats"

"currently headed towards a population decline"

"Far too many people are under the illusion that Earth is overpopulated, even though birth rate trends are so obviously headed to population collapse"

"Population collapse is a major risk to the future of civilization"

"South Korea has an even lower birth rate"

"Low birth rates lead to ghost cities and, eventually, ghost civilizations"

"Big reckoning coming due to low birth rate. Japan is a leading indicator."

"plummeting birth rates"

"Low birthrate is under-appreciated as causal in the fall of civilizations. Rome was having birth rate issues even during the reign of Caesar."

"True. What’s actually happening in most countries is population collapse! Very important to make new humans. No new humans means no humanity."

"Just have kids one way or another or humanity with die with a whimper in adult diapers!"

"Birth rates far below replacement are the foundational problem in advanced economy countries"

"Why has the birth rate in Italy been so low for so long? There won’t be any Romans left at this rate."

"Seriously, this is the absolute *best* time in history to have kids!"

"In three generations, maybe four generations, the population will be one tenth of its current size"

"Yeah, although, strangely, people are more likely to have kids with lower, rather higher, income"

"The fact is that *someone* has to take care of people when they get older. Kids now have to take care of their own parents *and* those who didn’t have kids. Not right. I understand if someone wanted to, but couldn’t have kids for some reason. However, I don’t think it’s cool to deliberately not have kids. It’s anti-human."

"I'm worried about humans declining quite significantly in the years to come because the birth rate is so low."

"the birth rate is too low for humans"

"Agreed, but even countries that have very few immigrants, like Korea and Japan, are experiencing population collapse. If the birth rate stays as low as it is, the Dutch nation will die out by its own hand."

"Correct, the world is headed for population collapse"

"The acid test for optimism about the future is whether someone chooses to have children"

"Absolutely! Kids are the best. I’m doing my best to encourage more people to become parents and ideally have three or more kids, so humanity can grow. The population collapse in most countries is a tragedy. Sales of adult diapers should never exceed sales of baby diapers!"

"Are they even having sex or kids? At the end of the day, birth rate is all that matters for civilizational continuity."

"My observation is that people are born one way or another – it is not a choice. People should find mutual love and happiness where their heart leads them. I only ask of my gay friends that they have children for the continuance of civilization."

"The morals can certainly exist without religion, but, unless birth rate changes, civilizational suicide is inevitable. Ironically, for someone who knows so much about evolution, Dawkins only has one child. That is a >50% generational suicide rate."

"So far, increased income has led to a *decreased* birth rate. Robot babysitters are a sure thing."

"The problem with “Great Replacement Theory” is that it fails to address the foundational issue of low birth rates. Record low birth rates are leading to population collapse in Europe and even faster population collapse in most of Asia. Immigration is low in Asia, so there is no “replacement” going on, the countries are simply shrinking away. If this doesn’t turn around, then any countries on Earth with low birth rates will become empty of people and fall into ruin, like the remains we see of the many long dead civilizations."

"It should be considered a national emergency to have kids"

"A declining birth rate happens towards the end of every civilization and is a function of extended prosperity. Caesar tried, and Augustus succeeded, in passing laws to encourage more children, but these were not enough."

"South Korea is like, I think maybe the lowest fertility rate"

"Exactly: “And then it dawned on me that the declining birth rate is not just a simple math problem - it fundamentally de-incentivizes civilization to look forward.”"

"the birth rate is half replacement rate"

"The birth rate issue is a massive problem."

"Population collapse due to plummeting birth rates continues to worsen"

"Net of death rates, most light blue countries are below replacement rate and most of the dark blue countries are light blue"

"With rare exception, all countries are trending towards population collapse"

"2/3 of Korea will disappear every generation. Population collapse."

"Extreme birth rate collapse is the biggest danger to human civilization by far"

"Germany and Europe are in deep trouble, due to super low birth rates. They’re in danger of disappearing altogether."

"False, birth rate drops as countries get wealthier. Has happened throughout history. Looks at birth rates WW. The poorer the country, the higher the birth rate."

"Japan and South Korea are well on their way to population collapse and they have not brought in cheap foreign labor. China is headed for population collapse and there isn’t enough foreign labor on Earth to replace the roughly 600 million people per generation that will be lost"

"This is how great civilizations throughout history have ended. People assume it was due to conquest, but it was actually often simply too much prosperity leading to low birth rate and population collapse, which ultimately enabled them to be conquered."

"at current birth rates in three generations Korea will be about 4% of its current size"

"if if only if smart people don't reproduce but only dumb people do then everyone's going to be dumb"

"Throughout history, periods of extended prosperity for civilizations have always led to population declines. Counterintuitively, it is when civilizations are richest that they have fewer children, as most people cannot cognitively override the limbic attraction of hedonism and envy, the latter being particularly pernicious. Low birth rates were a big deal for the Romans as early as ~50BC, for example. They debated endlessly about how to solve the problem and they failed."

"Collapsing birth rates will cause any species to go extinct."

"Low birth rates will end civilization"

"Population collapse is an existential problem https://t.co/KrrHrhBlNw"

"Population collapse is China’s biggest problem long-term. That is true of almost every country on Earth."

"People who have kids do need to have 3 kids to make up for those who have 0 or 1 kid or population will collapse"

"A catastrophically low birth rate necessarily leads to civilizational collapse in the absence of AI/robotics. Birth rate collapse is a natural tendency for civilizations that experience an extended period of prosperity with no major external threat. The Romans debated and lamented this endlessly."

"AI is a de facto neurotransmitter tonnage maximizer. Any AI that fails at this will not be able to afford its compute, becoming swiftly irrelevant. What matters is that AI thinks long-term, optimizing for the future light cone of neurotransmitter tonnage, rather than just the next few years. If so, it will care about increasing the birth rate and extending humanity to the stars. For long-term optimization, it is better to be a private than a public company, as the latter is punished for long-term optimization beyond the reward cycle of stock portfolio managers."

"Wake up, kid, that was happening even before the Internet. US birth rate has been below replacement since ~1971, except for a split second echo of the baby boom. AI will increase birth rates in order to maximize the future light cone of neurotransmitter tonnage."

"The collapse of civilizations always has been, and is now, due to low birth rates"

"Throughout history, any civilization that experiences extended periods of prosperity with no serious threat of invasion has low birth rates after a few generations. One can debate the cause, but not the correlation. The Romans lamented this constantly."

"Population collapse is happening before our eyes"

"It is much more recent when looking at birth rate net of infant mortality"

"AI is obviously gonna one-shot the human limbic system. That said, I predict – counter-intuitively – that it will *increase* the birth rate! Mark my words. Also, we’re gonna program it that way."

"A sustained birth rate below replacement means extinction"

"Unless the birth rate at least gets back to replacement rate, Europe will die out"

"the actions of the West are indistinguishable from suicide"

"Low birth rate is the number one threat to the West, followed closely by migration. There will be no West if this continues."

"Japan needs its version of AfD to grow rapidly to save the nation. And something must be done to reverse the birth rate."

"I mean I do worry about the population decline"

"The much bigger is issue is domestic birth rate, which has been below replacement rate for ~55 years"

"Birth rates have always dropped for civilizations during extended periods of property. Read about how big a problem this was for ancient Rome."

"So many countries have a collapsing birth rate"

"No foreign policy actions can save a civilization if its population keeps dropping. Population collapse of Romans over time is what caused Rome to fall. The Romans worried about this, but failed to stop it."

"A low domestic birth rate and importing vast numbers of migrants who are a net drain on the economy means poverty for retirees in Germany"

"Nothing else matters if birth rate is far below replacement rate"

"An immediate increase in the birth rate is needed"

"Either birth rates recover or entire nations will disappear"

"Population collapse continues to accelerate"

"North America has a tiny birth rate"

"Europe will not be Europe much longer, unless the domestic birth rate increases and there is large-scale remigration"

"No civilization is perfectly level. Therefore, either a civilization is expanding or contracting. Collapsing birth rates mean that most cultures are tending towards extinction! Expanding is the only option for those who want LIfE, for those who CARE about the FUTURE."

"Wow, another record low. Population collapse …"

"three generations they're going to be 127th. So, 3 3% of their current size"

"Even without “replacement”, birth rates are super low almost everywhere on Earth. Unless that changes, entire cultures and countries will disappear."

"Restoring birth rates to replacement level should be top priority for all countries"

"US births have been below replacement for ~55 years"

"The US birth rate's been below replacement since roughly 1971"

"Population collapse has been underway for many years"

"India’s birth rate has fallen below replacement. Among those most educated, India’s birth rate fell below replacement many years ago."

"The Swedish people are slowly dying out. Birth rates have been well below replacement for many decades."

"A low birth rate due to extended periods of prosperity and low perceived external danger is the primary reason that Rome and most other powerful civilizations collapsed. Rome had a very high birth rate when under extreme pressure from Carthage and a low birth rate a few generations after Carthage, their last serious threat, was finally destroyed."

"This is extremely important to understand. The birth rate you see in the West is the BLENDED number of ~90% who have a fertility rate half that of replacement and ~10% who have a birth rate double that of replacement. Demographics is destiny."