Atreju Festival
Questions on ElonsFAQ asked in this interview (13)
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0:09Elon MuskHello, everyone.
0:22InterviewerVery strong message. You're right here with your son, one of your sons. So demographic for us is so important.
0:29Elon MuskYes, I, you know, I think this is important to always photography.
0:34InterviewerJust a moment. Sorry.
0:35Elon MuskSorry about that.
0:36InterviewerJust a moment.
0:41InterviewerSome photograph where.
0:54Elon MuskFantastic.
0:55InterviewerGreat.
1:22InterviewerWe can manage. We can manage.
1:27Elon MuskI'll see you soon. All right.
1:31InterviewerAll right, great.
1:33Elon MuskWell, hey, guys.
1:46Elon MuskAll right.
1:46InterviewerWe are really excited because how long is the trip from Houston to here by plate?
1:52Elon MuskI think it's about eight, eight or nine hours.
1:56InterviewerOkay, so you're fresh, like in the first morning.
1:59Elon MuskYeah, exactly.
2:01InterviewerSo first question is about demography. And I spoke with you in the past about that and I think it's very important for you and you pointed on that a lot of your discussion and your purpose is it?
2:13Elon MuskYeah, I think, you know, I really want to emphasize that it's important to have children and to create the new generation. And as simple as it sounds, if people do not have children, there is no new generation.
2:30Elon MuskSo.
2:35Elon MuskSo I very, very much, strongly recommend that, you know, I'm very much in favor of humanity expanding and creating a bright and exciting future for the world. And. But fundamental to the furtherance of human civilization is having humans as simple and basic as that sounds.
3:00Elon MuskAnd, you know, every year I look at the. The birth rates and I'm like, it's. It's kind of a bit depressing because birth rates seem to decline every year.
3:13Elon MuskAnd I think, you know, that past. My biggest advice to leaders, to government leaders, and to the people in general would be to make sure to have children to create the new generation.
3:30Elon MuskAnd I think any incentives that can be done to incent the new generation to make it easier for women to have children and to support the children, I think would be very wise.
3:46Elon MuskThis is so fundamental, and I really can't emphasize that enough. If you don't have a new generation, there is no new generation, or with current birth rates, I think it may be the generations are.
4:04Elon MuskBirth rate is maybe half. Half of the replacement rate. And what that means is in three generations, the population will be one, roughly roughly 1/10 of its current size.
4:18Elon MuskIn three generations, maybe four generations, the population will be one tenth of its current size. So I always want to emphasize this point because it is so basic and fundamental that if there's not at least a birth rate which is keeping population constant, then a people will disappear.
4:44InterviewerDisappear, Mr. Mas. Disappear.
4:46Elon MuskDisappear.
4:48InterviewerWe have a lot of immigration. Somebody says that immigration is important for that reason. What's your point on that? Immigration is coming in Europe and is coming in America from the south of America and then Europe from the south of Mediterranean Sea.
5:01InterviewerWhat do you think about that?
5:03Elon MuskWell, I think one can't depend on other countries for immigration. And in fact, if you look at, say, the population worldwide, and this is almost everywhere in the world, and it seems to be a function of how once a country industrializes, once a country urbanizes, the population immediately starts to decline.
5:26Elon MuskSo one could say, for example, like, like China could not possibly solve its population with immigration. Because if you, you know, China is currently tracking to be, maybe lose 40% of its population every generation, you know, that would be 700 million, 800 million people, or roughly 6,700 million people.
5:52Elon MuskIt's a lot. Basically, you'd have to have the entire United States immigrate there twice every generation to simply maintain numbers just for China. So immigration. There simply aren't enough numbers in immigration.
6:07Elon MuskAnd I think there is value to a culture, and we don't want cultures. We don't want Japan to disappear. We don't want Italy as a culture to disappear. We don't want France as a culture to disappear.
6:19Elon MuskI think we have to have the. Maintain the sort of reasonable cultural identity of the various countries or they simply will not be those countries. You know, Italy is.
6:34Elon MuskItaly is the people of Italy. The buildings are there. But really, what is Italy? Italy is the people of Italy.
6:50Elon MuskSo, I mean, I just think it's. And I speak as someone who is very much, very much an environmentalist, and I believe in having, you know, building a sustainable future for the world.
7:07Elon MuskI think there are very few people who, as an individual who have done more than I have to help the environment with electric cars and solar and batteries to create a sustainable energy future, because we absolutely need a sustainable energy future.
7:24InterviewerBut.
7:29Elon MuskThere is an aspect of the environmental movement that I think has gone too far.
7:34InterviewerReally said from you?
7:36Elon MuskYes, so said for me. You know, I think I am objectively one of the world's leading environmentalists in terms of doing things like, I'm an environmentalist who does things of action, not talk, I act.
7:55Elon MuskSo. So I feel I can say as. As an environmentalist that the environmentalist movement has gone too far. And in that, in the natural extension of the environmentalist movement, if you go too far, you start to look at humanity as a bad thing.
8:11Elon MuskYou start to look at humanity as though we are a plague on the surface of the earth, as though humanity is a bad thing. And in fact, there are some people who think and say explicitly that in fact, there was on the Front, front page of the New York Times.
8:27Elon MuskThere was a guy who said, there are 8 billion people on Earth, it would be better if there were none. Which is crazy.
8:33InterviewerDefinitely. So you told me a joke about that. You told me once a joke about the cows and the problem with the cows. Remember that?
8:42Elon MuskOh, yeah. Don't worry about the cows. The cows are fine. Cows are not going to destroy the environment. Cows are fine.
8:48InterviewerYeah.
8:49Elon MuskYes.
8:50InterviewerYou know, we have a lot of. A lot of laws, European laws, again, against all the people who work with them. You know, it's a big issue for us because it seems green issue, but is a very industrial issue for us.
9:03Elon MuskYeah. I think farming and cows are not. Do not have any meaningful effect on the environment.
9:10InterviewerYes. Underline, please.
9:12Elon MuskYes. Objectively, this is true. So if you say, like, there's really only one thing that matters from an environmental standpoint for carbon, which is that we are taking billions, eventually trillions of tons of carbon from buried deep within, under the earth and putting.
9:31Elon MuskTransferring it to the atmosphere and oceans, that's actually really all that matters, is taking vast amounts of carbon from underground where it's buried and moving it into the atmosphere by burning it.
9:45Elon MuskAnd if you do that for long enough, eventually you will get to climate change. Now, I think the climate change alarm is somewhat overblown in the short term. It's still a concern in the long term, but I think it's exaggerated in the short term.
10:01InterviewerGreat.
10:05Elon MuskI'm trying to thread the needle here between what, you know, like what is pragmatic and what is sensible, what really matters and what doesn't matter. What really matters is that over the long term, over the course of the next several decades, that we gradually reduce how many millions and billions of tons of carbon that we move from underground to the atmosphere.
10:30Elon MuskBecause we're running sort of a climate experiment that is dangerous. But I also don't think that. I think of it as a fundamental civilizational risk. It's not going to destroy life on Earth, it's not going to destroy humanity, but it will create hardship if you change the climate over many decades.
10:53Elon MuskSo I think my message is like, I think much more pragmatic and I think correct and sensible. And I don't think we should demonize oil and gas. I think we should say, look, that is obviously necessary in the short term and the medium term too, and it'll take several decades to become sustainable.
11:15Elon MuskSo I think if we just, without getting too worried about it, seek to have a sustainable energy future gradually, then that's what will happen. And so I think that some of the environmentalist movement has is part of what is causing people to lose hope in the future.
11:36Elon MuskSo I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should have hope in the future. We should be excited about the future and we should build the future we want.
11:45InterviewerWhat about Elon, you call it the walk mind. Yes, is the name you gave to that walk mind illness. What's that virus?
12:01Elon MuskYeah.
12:01InterviewerSo so is coming to Europe. I have to advise you.
12:05Elon MuskYes. Well this is not something you should import from America. Please don't import the woke mind viruses bad. So the. I mean essentially that if you summarize maybe the Wokmine virus it consists of creating very very divisive identity politics.
12:27Elon MuskSo it actually amplifies woke virus. Mind virus in my view amplifies racism, amplifies frankly sexism and all the isms. And while claiming to do the opposite, it actually divides people and makes them sort of hate each other and it makes people hate themselves.
12:47Elon MuskAnd it's also anti meritocratic. It's not like you know, it's not merit based. So you want to have people succeed based on how hard they work and the talents not who they are.
13:01Elon MuskWhether they're man, woman, what, what what race or you know, gender what. None. That stuff is all creating. It's an artificial, you know, mental civil war that is created and it's not and and let me.
13:17Elon MuskIt's no fun. Okay.
13:19InterviewerFunny.
13:20Elon MuskIt is like. It is like woke mind virus and fun are incompatible. There's no fun in that. No joy. Woke mind virus is all about condemning people instead of celebrating people.
13:38Elon MuskWhen in the woke it just doesn't celebrate. It's all about condemning and being divisive and being just. I think it's just evil frankly.
13:48InterviewerReally.
13:49Elon MuskYeah, yeah. It's bad.
13:52InterviewerSo bad. Yeah. But have you get a lot of problems saying so on on your social in excel have this point of view. You are good friend of Obama administration and now they don't really like you so much for this kind of speech you do in public or not.
14:14Elon MuskI don't know. I mean I just. I'm very pro human. I'm very pro civilization. I'm in favor of humanity and our collective consciousness expanding on earth and going beyond Earth.
14:29Elon MuskBeing a multi planet species, a space faring civilization and being out there among the stars and finding out the nature of the universe like all the things that you know, it's.
14:41Elon MuskThat seems like to me an exciting thing. Something you can get really excited about is you're going to get excited. Like we want to have ideas that make you look forward to waking up in the morning, look forward to the day, look forward to the future.
14:57Elon MuskAnd you know, so you have to say what except excites you about the future? What moves your heart about the future? What makes you say like yes, I'm glad about what will happen in the future.
15:14Elon MuskThat's what we must, you know, focus on. And that's, that's why we have to have a new generation. We've got to build and we've got to grow. And like I said, we understand this, understand the nature of this beautiful universe that we find ourselves in and the meaning of life or even what questions to ask about, you know, the meaning of life.
15:38Elon MuskLet us explore this wondrous creation and have a good time doing it. Yeah, that's my philosophy.
15:46InterviewerLet me go back for a little because I want to ask you about your perception of Europe as a building, not as people. Because Europe do a lot of flow of integration of cultures, different cultures and has different approach to the immigration.
16:02InterviewerWe heard Meloni did a lot on that with Premier Ramais in the first line of Albania. What do you think about this approach of Europe approach as building? I would say as an establishment.
16:16Elon MuskWell, I should say like to be clear on immigration overall I'm very much in favor of legal immigration. I think that generally I think one should welcome to a country anyone who is willing to work hard and is honest, you know, has high integrity and will add to, you know, any given country.
16:38Elon MuskIf somebody is an asset to the country, why not have them join? That's obviously a great thing to do. So I think it's good actually to have an increase in legal immigration and a simple legal with paper, just some approval process with a simple requirement that look, if somebody is going to add to a country like just really hard working and high integrity, let them in.
17:08Elon MuskI think that's great. But if it's illegal immigration and there's no filter, well, how do you know who's coming and you don't know. So you have to have some basis for saying somebody should come in or not come in.
17:23Elon MuskAnd my argument is like it should be a very simple basis. Will they add to the country? Will they be a productive part of the economy and do they admire the culture?
17:37Elon MuskDo they want to join because of the culture, then that's great. But if there's no process for that, then you don't know. I think at least some number of the people that come in will not be necessarily and I want to be careful because my words will be misconstrued.
17:55Elon MuskI'm not saying all illegal immigrants are bad. I think probably, perhaps most of them are good. But there will be some. If there's no process for reviewing. Not at all.
18:07Elon MuskAll. Then how can you say that everyone who is an illegal immigrant is going to be honest and hard working? You can't say that because you simply don't know.
18:21Elon MuskSo I want to be clear. Top line, pro immigration. But let's increase legal immigration. But we should stop illegal immigration. I think this is just logical.
18:33InterviewerYou have a lot of company, so. That's right, you can drink. Because I want to do the list of the companies. Yeah, five, seven minutes to do that. I mean, I'm joking.
18:41InterviewerWith SpaceX, X. Never link so many X's. All the X's.
18:48Elon MuskGuess what my favorite letter is.
18:50InterviewerOkay. X. I guess it's a good place to invest. Italy. It's a good place, place to invest some of, I mean not your money but some investment from your company of the American companies, of the, I would say competitive companies in this place.
19:07InterviewerWhat's your opinion?
19:09Elon MuskNo, I mean, I think Italy is an incredible country, incredible culture. I love visiting, I love the Italian people. I think you guys are amazing.
19:21Elon MuskSo Italia. So, so I want, I, you know, personally, I want, I want the, actually I want the prosperity of Leah and I want the prosperity of every country.
19:36Elon MuskI want the prosperity of humanity as a whole. And like I said, I want us to have an exciting future where we're fired up about what's going to happen and really excited.
19:46Elon MuskSo, you know, and I think, you know, Italy is a great place to invest. It's a great, you know, great country and but I do want to emphasize that I do worry that about the low birth rate and you know, if a company is to invest in Italy, they're like, well, you have to say, like, will there be enough people to work there?
20:14Elon MuskYou know, simple question, you know, if the workforce is declining, then, if the workforce is declining then, then, then who will work at the company? Well, if there's no people, there's no people to work.
20:29InterviewerYeah, but I mean in 50 years,
20:31Elon MuskI think it's even sooner than that though. You know, you're so worried about.
20:35InterviewerThat is the problem.
20:37Elon MuskI feel like a total Cassandra here because like I seem to be worried about it much more than other people. But you know, there just needs to be people.
20:48Elon MuskIf you don't make new generation of people, there is no new generation of people. So that's it. I Know, I'm being, you know, I'm being repetitive here, but I'm just, I'm just trying to state facts, you know, so.
21:08Elon MuskAnd yeah, so it's a good place to invest. No, I agree. It's a good place to invest and a wonderful country, so please make more Italians is what I'm saying.
21:26InterviewerYou said once that the Internet is the system, is the. I write down your word, the nervous system of humanity. What's it. Yes, you said once to me. Yeah, a long time ago, intelligence for you.
21:42InterviewerSorry, the intelli.
21:44Elon MuskArtificial Artificial intelligence.
21:45InterviewerIf that is the nervous system, intern. Artificial intelligence. What's. I mean, use another metaphor.
21:52Elon MuskYou asked me what do I think of artificial intelligence?
21:55InterviewerObviously.
21:59Elon MuskWell, you can think of artificial intelligence as. This is perhaps the biggest inflection point in intelligence since Homo sapiens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Artificial intelligence is, will be essentially a sort of a new species or is a new species.
22:26Elon MuskSo I think one of the biggest challenges, if I look at say civilizational risk, you know, the risk to the future of humanity, you know, birth rate is one of them.
22:39Elon MuskIf we just don't have kids and dwindle away. That's one which I've talked a lot about. The other is, you know, there's always like potentially nuclear war, of course, that kind of thing.
22:52Elon MuskThen AI is also an existential risk and we need to be, I think we need to be careful with the advent of AI, but it is very much, it's very much a double edged sword.
23:07Elon MuskYou can think of AI as kind of like the magic genie, you know, that like digital super intelligence will be capable of doing anything. Anything, pretty much anything.
23:19InterviewerBut he doesn't have any consciousness. I'm wondering about that.
23:25Elon MuskI mean there is the whole question of like, what is consciousness? In fact. So here's like I always, I thought a lot about what is consciousness and where does consciousness arise, you know, to say like.
23:39Elon MuskBecause I think in terms of physics, you know, and if at least if physics is true, then we go from a start of the universe where things are almost entirely hydrogen.
23:53Elon MuskAnd then if you leave the hydrogen out long enough, eventually it coalesces into stars and then those stars explode and then they recondense, you know, like most of the mass in your body is, was once at the center of a star, which is kind of wild billions of years of ago.
24:16Elon MuskAnd so, so where, where along the lines of, of hydrogen to human does consciousness arise?
24:26InterviewerYou get very serious when you speak about that.
24:28Elon MuskYeah, it's a real question. If you leave hydrogen up in the sun Long enough, it starts talking to itself. Here we are, hydrogen, talking to itself.
24:36InterviewerHow to deal with that? So if it is so important how to deal, I mean, laws, personal behavior, how to deal with that Artificial intelligence. This is a process.
24:48Elon MuskI mean, I think we need to keep a close eye on artificial intelligence. I mean, I am in favor of some regulatory insight just so that there's someone can at least be a referee.
25:04Elon MuskLike if you think of any game, like there's always a referee for a game for, for industries that affect the good of the people. There's our regulatory agencies that oversee those industries.
25:17Elon MuskAnything that's dangerous is overseen by some kind of referee or regulator. I think we should have the same thing for AI just to help ensure that it is beneficial.
25:35Elon MuskThe good part of AI is that we are headed for a future of abundance. So AI and robotics will mean that there are no shortage of goods and services.
25:47Elon MuskThere will be goods and services. If you can think of it, you can have it, basically. So this is quite profound. Like I said, it's the magic journey. AI and robotics will get you anything you want.
26:04Elon MuskNow usually in these sort of fairy tales about magic genies, it doesn't turn out so well. You have to be careful what you wish for, even if what you wish for are wishes.
26:18Elon MuskSo it's just something we should be cautious about.
26:23InterviewerOkay.
26:26Elon MuskOn the plus side, it will bring many benefits. Like I said, it will usher in an age of abundance. So the positive scenario of AI is that there's an age of abundance and there are no shortage of goods and services.
26:43Elon MuskThat any scarcity that exists will be only because we define it to be scarce. So. And it just seems to be somewhat of an inevitable thing. AI so you know, there's that supposedly that, that Chinese saying about may you live in interesting times.
27:06Elon MuskWell, I think we currently live in the most interesting of times in all of history right now.
27:17Elon MuskSo anyway, so my recommendation on AI is I think we want some kind of regulatory oversight just to make sure that it's beneficial. AI Great.
27:26InterviewerWe hope so. And what about the governments like, I mean they are elected by people like Meloni and this government and the other government, they have any risks or what do you think about the IS challenge for the, for the executive of the nations about all these new process?
27:52Elon MuskSorry, I'm not sure I understand the question.
27:57InterviewerWhat's the risk for the government of this artificial intelligence? Are there any risks? I mean, that democracy is finished?
28:07Elon MuskWell, I think there's certainly risk of artificial intelligence affecting the voting opinion, I suppose, and manipulating Public opinion. So I think there's, there's some risk of. Yeah. AI manipulating the public.
28:28Elon MuskI think that's part.
28:29InterviewerThat's
28:32Elon Muskso. Yeah, okay.
28:37InterviewerYou know, but I think pro.
28:38Elon MuskLike, like I said, 80% probable that AI is beneficial, 20% harmful.
28:43InterviewerOkay.
28:43Elon MuskSomething like that.
28:44InterviewerI, I'm. I'm always worried because, you know, we have a new government this two years. This government, almost two years, and we have a Europe. For us, it's our artificial intelligence.
28:54InterviewerIt seems like artificial intelligence, but it's not very intelligent sometimes.
28:58Elon MuskEurope.
28:59InterviewerAnd so I'm wondering, what do you think about the government and about Europe? For us, it's so important the relation. I understand artificial intelligence in the future, but in the present we have laws, you know, constraints that comes from Europe.
29:14InterviewerWhat do you think about that? If you have any opinion on that? What do you think about Italian government which is trying to have a position? I would say a position.
29:22InterviewerMeloni. I don't know if there's more than a position. You want me to be more tough than a position? Okay. What do you think it's good to have a position in Europe to be, I mean, I would say different from main course of European politics.
29:43Elon MuskDo you mean like country decisions versus EU decisions or decision about green?
29:50InterviewerAbout the politics, immigration.
29:53Elon MuskOh, I mean, there's a separate question of like, I think regulations in Europe. There are too many regulations in. In general, not. I'm not speaking about specific case of AI.
30:07Elon MuskI think one could look at this as overall a fundamental function of, Of a stable civilization. The longer that any given civilization is stable and does not have a big war, the more rules and regulations will accumulate over time.
30:26Elon MuskSo rules, regulations, laws, they are immortal. They never die, but people die. So if every year more and more rules, regulations and laws are added, you will eventually make everything illegal.
30:44Elon MuskAnd you can think of it sort of like Gulliver's Travels, where Gulliver. If the nation is Gulliver, it's being tied down by one little regulatory string at a time and eventually you have millions of strings and then the giant can't move.
31:00Elon MuskAnd so I think there needs to be something where we delete rules, regulations and laws. Because if we keep. If we simply. If all we do is add them, eventually we will be able to do nothing.
31:16InterviewerOkay, shall I do some question about your companies? Because here there are all the young people, not only the young people from important Italian party and they. Most of them use the social network, they use X.
31:30InterviewerAnd I saw in the past days that the CEO of Disney said, I Don't want to invest any advertising on X. And he's investing, for example, in the meta in Instagram and he said that there are problems of.
31:48InterviewerI don't know which kind of problem they find on X. Yeah. What's going on? Why an important investor like Disney said something so tough on X? What's going on there?
32:03Elon MuskWell, I think, first of all, I think X will be, will be fine. And we are actually already seeing advertisers return to X. So I guess they were, I don't know, upset with something I said or something, I don't know.
32:18Elon MuskBut they, you know, advertisers, I think are the brand. Advertisers are a little, they're always worried about their brand and you know, maybe, I think maybe a bit more than they should be.
32:35Elon MuskBut I think it's a short term issue. Like I said, the advertisers sometimes get upset but then they usually calm down and they return to advertising. So come on, you know that there
32:49Intervieweris the woke virus over there.
32:51Elon MuskWell, yes.
32:53InterviewerI don't want to answer for you.
32:55Elon MuskYeah, yeah, no, you're right. You're right. If we're going to fight the woke mind virus, then the woke mind virus will fight back. And unfortunately, Disney is deeply infected with the work mind virus.
33:06Elon MuskIn fact, if you ask an AI what is the most woke company on earth? It's Disney, you know, but, and you have to say, what would. I mean, I think they should be asking themselves, what would Walt Disney think of Disney today?
33:25Elon MuskI think he's turning in his grave. I think he's not happy. Sure, sure. You know, if the namesake of the company is not happy, that's probably a bad sign, you know, because Walt Disney, what did he care about?
33:37Elon MuskHe cared about bringing joy to people's lives. He poured, you know, making wonderful things that children and families could enjoy. And you know, he was, he created some of the coolest, you know, art in the world and stuff that even 100 years after it's created, we still remember it and still, it's still a major thing.
34:01Elon MuskBut you have to say, how great was Walt Disney? Was amazing. But now Disney, at least for now, is deeply infected with the work. My virus. I think that will, you know, that will change over time.
34:14Elon MuskYeah.
34:14InterviewerOh, I hope so. Arrival at the European Commission. They are not investing on mix, you know, that maybe they're a little.
34:20Elon MuskThey got the, my virus too. Yeah.
34:25InterviewerYou don't care.
34:26Elon MuskI think so. You know, and, and, and it's like, why are they importing this, this crazy thing From America. You know, it's like, it's, it's just some thing that was created basically by sort of far left crazy people in U.S.
34:43Elon Muskcolleges. And now it's spreading all over the world. And it's, it's like, you know, like the thing is the work mind virus, it's, it's not a message of joy, it's a.
34:53Elon MuskIt's a message of division. Sure. It's not a message of love, it's a message of hate. And I was like. And so I'm like, I'm like, like, you know, let's.
35:09Elon MuskI don't know, I'm in favor of like let's have a future that's got more love, more like more. And let us build a fun, exciting future. And the woke Biden virus is all about condemning one group and condemning this, condemning that.
35:25Elon MuskAnd it's also like just being like. It just wants to scold you all the time and treat you like. I don't know who wants to be scolded. You know, it's not fun.
35:38Elon MuskSo anyway, I think we want to, you know, have a.
35:44InterviewerLike.
35:44Elon MuskSo I guess at its heart my concern is that the work mind virus is anti civilizational end of civilization. Anti civilization.
35:53InterviewerI think civilization, sure. But if it represents a cost for your company, what's, you know, you have a trade off between the cost of your position and the cost for the company.
36:04InterviewerWhat's your choice and what, how much is important in your behavior? The free speech standing. That's the question.
36:13Elon MuskI do think free speech is incredibly important because if people cannot speak their minds and then we won't have a democracy. Democracy is the foundation of democracy is freedom of speech,
36:29Interviewerbut also saying something.
36:40InterviewerSo Andrea, Andrea Stropa is laughing at that because he knows that it's so important for you. But tell me more about the free speech because here is very important person here couldn't speech for a lot of people because they were considered mavericks.
36:54InterviewerAnd worse than that, free speech for everybody is important not just for the person who say the right thing things.
37:00Elon MuskExactly. No, exactly. Free speech means that free speech is only relevant. Free speech is only meaningful if you allow people you don't like to say things you don't like.
37:16Elon MuskSo that's how you know it's working. That's how you know it's working. Because once you start to censor people you don't like saying things you don't like, it's only a matter of time before that censorship turns on you.
37:36Elon MuskEventually, you know, live by the sword, die by the sword, live by censorship, die by censorship.
38:08InterviewerWhy? You spoke about free speech, you bought Twitter for the free speech. Just for the free speech, not for business inside you both.
38:18Elon MuskOh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean here's the thing. So you know, I think you have to say like if civilization is not strong, if civilization doesn't grow, then nothing else matters, you know, profits don't matter.
38:34Elon MuskIf civilization collapses, this, there's no profits, there's no, you know, we are not, we cannot exist absent civilization. So sometimes people may say like, well, is this an altruistic thing?
38:50Elon MuskI mean I think it's, for me it feels altruistic. But even if it's, even if one is not altruistic, even if one is very self centered, you have to say if you simply think long term, you have to be pro civilization because you cannot exist without civilization.
39:09InterviewerHow important from 0 to 10 in the scale from 0 to 10 money. You are the richest person in the world. How is important money for you? From 0 to 10, 0 is the less important and 10 is the good one.
39:22InterviewerI don't know, I don't want to
39:23Elon Muskone or two or something.
39:24InterviewerNo, come on.
39:26Elon MuskNo, I mean one or two.
39:28InterviewerJust, just one or two.
39:29Elon MuskWell, if you say like, I mean the reason I guess I have what so called wealth or it's really just shares in the company is that I've created these companies, you know, in these companies like SpaceX and Tesla.
39:43Elon MuskTesla is 140,000 jobs direct worldwide and five times that number, maybe, maybe almost a million jobs. When you look at the whole supply chain is what Tesla's created and then SpaceX is about 15,000 people and also you know, like maybe total supply chain, 50,000 people.
40:05Elon MuskSo you know, I mean I basically with the help of many talented people built these companies and then the so called, these wealth statistics simply, they simply add up what the ownership is in the companies and say okay, this is a certain amount of money.
40:23Elon MuskBut I don't actually have that in money, I have it in stock. I just, it's just, it's just that the companies have succeeded.
40:30InterviewerBut how was the last, the last launch of the SpaceX? Tell me something that question please Jovani. The last launch. I see Mauro there sitting on the floor. Why are you sitting on the floor?
40:40InterviewerAre you worried about the highness?
40:47InterviewerHow was the last launch? Was a. You were optimist about your SpaceX. The big.
40:53Elon MuskYeah, so will Starship. So the exciting thing about Starship is that it's the first rocket design that could make life multi Planetary that could enable a self sustaining base on the moon and a city on Mars.
41:10Elon MuskSo because it is not just a very large vehicle, but it is designed for full and rapid reusability. So that would lower the cost of access to space by I don't know, maybe 100 or more.
41:26Elon MuskAnd so, and basically it's the first rocket that is capable of building a base on Mars and a base on the moon. Yes, that's, that's, that's, yeah. So, you know, you know, there's the great Italian physicist Enrico Fermi.
41:50Elon MuskI'm a big admirer of Fermi. And he had, he was very good at asking profound questions. And one of his questions, which is called the Fermi paradox, is where are the aliens?
42:03Elon MuskAnd one of the explanations is that, and perhaps I think the one that I think is most appears to be most accurate is that consciousness is extremely rare. That people often ask me do I know about aliens or something like that.
42:21Elon MuskI get asked that a lot. And the crazy thing is that I've seen no evidence of aliens whatsoever. This means that I think most likely, at least in this part of the galaxy, we are the only consciousness that exists.
42:39Elon MuskAnd so you can think of. Human consciousness really is like a tiny candle in a vast darkness. And we must do everything we can to ensure that the candle does not go out.
42:54InterviewerGreat, we can finish with that. We can finish with that. Ilam. Okay, we can finish with this.
43:02Elon MuskOh, and so it's worth reading about the Fermi paradox because people have thought very hard about this because there are these. Because one of the things is like, well, maybe there are these great filters and these civilizations don't pass these filters.
43:22Elon MuskOne of the filters is, do we become a multi planet species or not? If we do not become a multi planet species, then eventually at some point something will happen to the planet.
43:35Elon MuskEither either it will be man made or it will be something natural like a meteor, like whatever killed the dinosaurs, for example. And then eventually the sun will actually expand and will destroy all life on Earth.
43:53Elon MuskSo if one cares about life on Earth at all, we should care about becoming a multi planet species and eventually going out there and becoming a multi stellar species and having many star systems.
44:05Elon MuskYou know, we want the exciting parts of science fiction to not be fiction forever. We want to make them real. And yeah, great.
44:16InterviewerThank you very much. Elon, Give me, give me your glass. Give me your glass.