Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
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0:01All-In HostThe greatest entrepreneur, Elon Musk.
0:07Jason CalacanisHey, guys,
0:12Elon MuskGrab my stuff.
0:16All-In HostI'm gonna. Yep.
0:17Jason CalacanisI'm gonna take this. All right. Thanks for taking the time.
0:27All-In HostHow.
0:28Jason CalacanisHow you doing, brother? You keeping busy?
0:33Elon MuskYeah. I mean, it's rarely a slow week. I mean, in the world as well.
0:42Jason CalacanisYeah.
0:43Elon MuskI mean, any given week, I mean, it just seems like the things get nuttier.
0:47Jason CalacanisIt's definitely a simulation. We've agreed on this at this point.
0:51Elon MuskI mean, well, look, if we are in some alien Netflix series, I think the ratings are high.
0:56Jason CalacanisYeah. How are the freedom of speech wars going? This is a. You've been. You've been at war for two years now.
1:10All-In HostYes.
1:11Jason CalacanisThe price of freedom of speech is not cheap, is it?
1:14Elon MuskI think it's like 44 billion, something like that.
1:19All-In HostGive or take a billion.
1:20Elon MuskYeah. Wrong numbers. It's pretty nutty. There is, like, this weird movement to quell free speech kind of around the world, and that's something we should be very concerned about.
1:37Elon MuskYou know, you have to ask, like, why was the First Amendment, like, a high priority? It was like, number one. Number one is because people came from countries where if you spoke freely, you would be imprisoned or killed.
1:52Elon MuskAnd they were like, well, we would like to not have that here, because that was terrible. And actually, you know, there's a lot of places in the world right now if you're critical of the government, you get imprisoned or killed.
2:08Elon MuskRight, yeah, we'd like to not have that.
2:11Jason CalacanisAre you concerned?
2:15Elon MuskI mean, I suspect this is a receptive audience to that message.
2:24All-In HostYou know, I think we always thought that the west was the exception to that, that we knew there were authoritarian places around the world, but we thought that in the west we'd have freedom of speech.
2:33All-In HostAnd we've seen, like you said, it seems like a global movement. In Britain, you've got teenagers being put in prison for memes opposing.
2:43Elon MuskIt's like you like to. You like to Facebook post, throw them into prison.
2:47All-In HostYeah.
2:49Elon MuskPeople have got an actual, you know, prison for. For like. Like, obscure comments on social media.
2:55All-In HostNot even shit posting.
2:56Elon MuskLike, not even. Yeah, it's crazy.
3:00All-In HostIn prison, you've got.
3:02Elon MuskI'm like, that. I was like, what is the massive crime that.
3:08All-In HostPavel in France. And then, of course, we got Brazil with Judge Voldemort. That. That one seems like the one that impacts you the most. Can you. What's the latest on that?
3:22Elon MuskWell, I guess we are trying to figure out, is there some reasonable solution in Brazil? The concern. I mean, I want to just make sure that this is framed correctly.
3:38Elon MuskAnd funny memes aside, the nature of the concern was that at least at export, we had the perception that we were being asked to do things that violated Brazilian law.
3:54Elon MuskSo obviously we cannot, as an American company, impose American laws and values on other countries that, you know, we wouldn't get very far if we did that. But we do, you know, think that if a country's laws are a particular way and we're being asked to what we.
4:15All-In HostWe think.
4:16Elon MuskWe think we're being asked to break them, then. And be silent about it, then obviously that is no good. So. So I just want to be clear because the sometimes.
4:26Elon MuskSometimes comes across as Elon's trying to just be a crazy, whatever, billionaire and demand outrageous things from other countries. And, you know, while that is true,
4:47Elon MuskThere are other things that I think are valid, which is like, we obviously can't. I think any given thing that we do at X Corp, we've got to be able to explain in light of day and not feel that it was dishonorable or we did the wrong thing.
5:12Elon MuskSo we don't. That. That. That. That was the. That's the nature of the concern. So we actually are in sort of discussions with the, you know, judicial authorities in Brazil to try to, you know, run this to ground.
5:28Elon MuskLike, what. What's actually going on? Like, if. If we're being asked to break the law, Brazilian law, then that's.
5:37All-In HostThat.
5:37Elon MuskThat obviously should not be. Should not sit well with the Brazilian judiciary. And if we're not and we're mistaken, we'd like to understand how we are mistaken. I think that's a pretty reasonable position.
5:50Jason CalacanisI'm a bit concerned, as your friend, that you're going to go to one of these countries and I'm gonna wake up one day and you're gonna get arrested and like, I'm gonna have to go bail you out or something.
6:00Jason CalacanisLike this is. Feels very acute. Like.
6:03Elon MuskYes.
6:04Jason CalacanisI mean, it's not a joke now. Like they're literally saying like, you know, it's not just Biden saying like, we have to look into that guy. Now it's become quite literal like this.
6:13Jason CalacanisWho is the guy who just wrote the. Was it the Guardian piece about, like.
6:17Elon MuskOh, yeah, yeah. There have been three articles and I think in the past three weeks, Robert Reich. But it wasn't just him. It was like three different articles.
6:28Jason CalacanisIt doesn't.
6:28Elon MuskThat's a trend calling for me to be imprisoned in the Guardian, you know, Guardian of what. What are they protecting exactly?
6:39All-In HostYe.
6:39Elon MuskGuardian of. I don't know.
6:42Jason CalacanisAuthoritarianism.
6:43Elon MuskYeah. Guardian of.
6:45Jason CalacanisYeah, censorship.
6:46Elon MuskCensorship.
6:48Jason CalacanisThe premise here is that you bought this thing, this online forum, this communication platform, and you're allowing people to use it to express themselves, therefore you have to be jailed.
7:00Jason CalacanisI don't understand the logic here.
7:02Elon MuskRight.
7:03Jason CalacanisThere's. What do you think they're actually afraid of at this point? What's the motivation here?
7:09All-In HostI mean, I think
7:12Elon Muskif somebody's sort of trying to push a false premise on the world, then. And then that premise can be undermined with public dialogue, then they will be opposed to public dialogue on that premise because they wish that false premise to prevail.
7:26Jason CalacanisRight.
7:27Elon MuskSo that's, I think, you know, the issue there is if they don't like the truth, you know, then we want to suppress it. So now the sort of, what we're trying to do with X Corp is I distinguish that from my son who's also called X.
7:48Elon MuskYes.
7:51Jason CalacanisYou have parental goals.
7:54Elon MuskEverything's just called X, basically. It's very difficult disambiguation.
7:58Jason CalacanisThe sun.
7:59Elon MuskYeah, it's X everything.
8:01All-In HostSo
8:03Elon Muskwhat we're trying to do is simply adhere to the, you know, the, the laws in a country. So, so if something is illegal in the United States or if it's illegal in, you know, Europe or Brazil or wherever it might be, then, then we will take it down or we'll suspend the account because we, we're not, you know, there to make the laws.
8:26Elon MuskWe. But, but, but if speech is not illegal, then, then what are we doing? Okay, now we're injecting ourselves in as a sensor, and where does it stop and who decides?
8:40Elon MuskSo, and where does that path lead? I think it leads to a bad place. So if the people in a country want the laws to be different, they should make the laws different, but otherwise we're going to obey the law in each jurisdiction.
8:58All-In HostRight.
8:58Jason CalacanisAnd some of these Europeans, that's it.
8:59Elon MuskIt's not more complicated than we're not trying to fly out the law. I'm going to be clear about that. But we're trying to adhere to the law. And if the laws change, we will change.
9:07Elon MuskAnd if the laws don't change, we, we won't. We're just literally trying to adhere to the law.
9:11Jason CalacanisIt's pretty straightforward.
9:13Elon MuskIt's very straightforward. If somebody thinks we're not adhering to law, well, they can file a lawsuit. Bingo.
9:20Jason CalacanisAlso very straightforward.
9:21Elon MuskYes.
9:21Jason CalacanisI mean, there are European countries that don't want people to promote Nazi propaganda.
9:25All-In HostYes.
9:25Jason CalacanisThey have some sensitivity to it.
9:27Elon MuskWell, it is illegal and it is
9:29Jason Calacanisillegal in those countries. If somebody puts that up, you take it down. Yes, but they typically file something and say yes.
9:36All-In HostNo.
9:37Elon MuskIn some cases it is just obviously illegal. Like you don't need to file a lawsuit for, you know, if something is just, you know, unequivocally illegal, we can literally read the law.
9:48Elon MuskThis violates the law. You know, anyone, anyone can see that. Like, you know, you don't need, like if somebody is stealing, you don't need. Let me check the law on that.
9:57All-In HostYeah, okay.
9:57Elon MuskOh no, there's. They're stealing.
10:01All-In HostSo we had, we had J.D. vance here this morning. He did a great job. And you know, one of the things is there's this image on X of like basically like you, Bobby Trump and JD are like the Avengers, I guess.
10:16All-In HostAnd then there's another meme where you're in front of a desk where it says D O G E. Yeah, the Department of Governmental Efficiency.
10:23Elon MuskYes, yes, I posted that one. Tell us about it. I made it using Grok, the Grok image generator and I posted it. Tell us about it to my profile.
10:38All-In HostHow do you do it?
10:40Elon MuskWell, I mean,
10:47Elon MuskI think with great difficulty, but you know, look, it's been a long time since there was a serious effort to reduce the size of government and to remove absurd regulations.
11:00All-In HostYeah.
11:00Elon MuskAnd you know, last time there was a really concerted effort on that front was Reagan in the early 80s. So we're 40 years away from a serious effort to remove, you know, not regulations that don't serve the greater good and, and reduce the size of government.
11:18Elon MuskAnd I think it's just if we don't do that, then what's, what, what's happening is that we get regulations and laws accumulating every year until eventually everything's illegal. And that's why we can't get major infrastructure projects done in the United States.
11:34Elon MuskLike if you look at the absurdity of the California high speed rail, I think they, they spent $7 billion and have a 1600 foot segment that doesn't actually have rail in it.
11:42Elon MuskI mean, your tax dollars at work, I mean.
11:45Jason CalacanisYeah, what are we doing?
11:46Elon MuskThat's an expensive 1600ft of concrete, you know, And I mean, I think it's like if, you know, I realize sometimes I'm perhaps a little optimistic with schedules, but, you know, I mean, I wouldn't be doing the things I'm doing if I was, you know, not an optimist, so.
12:11Elon MuskBut at the current trend, you know, California high speed rail might finish sometime next century maybe. Probably not.
12:20Jason CalacanisWe're just, we'll have Teleportation by that time.
12:22Elon MuskYeah, exactly. AI do everything that point. So, so, so you, I think you really think of, you know, the United States and many countries, it's, it's arguably worse than the EU as being like Gulliver, tied down by a million little strings.
12:40Elon MuskAnd like any one given regulation is not, is not that bad, but you've got a million of them and, or millions actually, and then eventually just can't get anything done.
12:52Elon MuskAnd this is a massive tax on the consumer, on the people. It's just, they don't, they don't realize that there's this massive tax in the form of irrational regulations.
13:04Elon MuskAnd I'll give you a recent example that you know is just insane is that like SpaceX was fined by the EPA $140,000 for they claimed dumping potable water on the ground, drinking water.
13:20Elon MuskSo, and we're like, this is at Starbase. And we're like, it's. We're in a tropical thunderstorm region. That stuff comes from the sky all the time. And there was no actual harm done.
13:35Elon MuskIt was just water to cool the launch pad during liftoff. And there's zero harm done. And they're like, they agree. Yes, there's zero harm done. We're like, okay, so there's no harm done, but you want us to pay $140,000 fine?
13:48Elon MuskIt's like, yes, because you don't have a permit. Okay. We didn't know there was a permit needed for zero harm. Fresh water being on the ground in a place that, where fresh water falls from the sky all the time.
14:02Jason CalacanisNext to the ocean.
14:03Elon MuskNext to the ocean.
14:04Jason CalacanisBecause there's a little bit of water there too.
14:06Elon MuskYeah. I mean, sometimes it rains so much, the, the roads are flooded. So we're like, you know, how does this make any sense?
14:13Jason CalacanisYeah.
14:14Elon MuskAnd, and then like, then they were like, well, we're not going to process any more of your, any more of your applications for launch, for starship launch unless you pay this $140,000 there's ransomed us.
14:24Elon MuskAnd we're like, okay, so we paid $140,000. But it was a, it's like, this is no good. I mean, at this rate we're never going to get to Mars.
14:31Jason CalacanisI mean, that's the, that's the confounding part here. Yeah. Is we're acting against our own self interest. You know, when you look at, we do have to make, putting aside fresh water.
14:44Jason CalacanisBut hey, you know, they're, the rocket makes a lot of noise. So I'M I'm certain there's some complaints about noise once in a while, but sometimes you want to have a party, but, well, you want to make progress and there's a little bit of noise.
14:55Jason CalacanisTherefore, you know, we, we trade off a little bit of noise for massive progress or even fun. Yes. So like, when did we stop being able to make those trade offs?
15:04Jason CalacanisBut talk about the difference between California and Texas, where you and I now reside. Texas, you were able to build the Gigafactory. I remember when you got the plot of land and then it seemed like it was less than two years when you had the party to open it.
15:22All-In HostYeah.
15:23Elon MuskFrom starter construction to completion was 14 months.
15:29Jason Calacanis14.
15:29Elon Musk14 months.
15:30Jason CalacanisIs there anywhere on the planet that would go faster? Is like China faster than that?
15:35Elon MuskChina was 11 months.
15:36Jason CalacanisGot it. So Texas, China, 11 and 14 months. California, how many months?
15:42Elon MuskAnd just give you a sense of size, the Tesla Gigafactory in China is three times the size of the Pentagon,
15:49Jason Calacaniswhich was the biggest building in America.
15:51Elon MuskNo, there are bigger buildings, but the Pentagon's pretty big one.
15:53Jason CalacanisYeah.
15:53Elon MuskOr it was the biggest building in units of pentagon. It's like three.
15:57Jason CalacanisOkay, three pentagons and counting.
15:59Elon MuskYeah, got it. In 14 months. The just, the, just the regulatory approvals in California would have taken two years. So that's the issue.
16:12All-In HostWhere do you think the regulation helps? Like for the people that will say, we need some checks and balances. We can't have some because for every good actor like you, there'll be a bad actor.
16:21All-In HostSo where is that line?
16:23Elon MuskYeah, I mean, I haven't sort of, you know, in sort of doing sensible deregulation and reduction in the size of government is just like be very public about it and say like, which of these rules do you.
16:38Elon MuskIf the public is really excited about a rule and wants to keep it, we'll just keep it. And here's the thing about the rules. If like, if the rule is, you know, turns out to be a bad, we'll just put it right back.
16:50Elon MuskOkay. And then, you know, problem solved. It's like, it's easy to add rules, but we don't actually have a process for getting rid of them. That's the issue. There's no garbage collection for rules.
17:02Jason CalacanisWhen we were watching you work, David and I and Antonio, in that first month at Twitter, which was all hands on deck and you were doing zero based budgeting, you really quickly got the cost under control.
17:16Jason CalacanisAnd then miraculously, everybody said this site will go down and you added 50 more features. So maybe because this is the first
17:24Elon Musktime there were like so many articles like the. That this is Twitter is dead forever. There's no way it could possibly even continue at all.
17:33Jason CalacanisIt was almost like the press was rooting for you to found.
17:36Elon MuskLet's write the obituary. Here's the obituary.
17:38All-In HostThey're all saying their goodbyes on Twitter. Remember that?
17:40Elon MuskYeah, yeah, yeah.
17:41All-In HostThey were all leaving and saying their goodbyes because the site was going to melt down and.
17:44Elon MuskYeah, totally failing. And all the journalists left.
17:48All-In HostYeah.
17:49Jason CalacanisWhich if you ever want to, like, hang out with a bunch of hall monitors. Oh, my God, Threads is amazing.
17:54All-In HostEvery time I go over there and
17:56Jason Calacanispost, they're like, they're really triggered.
17:59Elon MuskBut yeah, I mean, if you like being condemned repeatedly, then, you know, for reasons that make no sense, then Threads is the way to go.
18:06Jason CalacanisIt's really. It's the most miserable place on earth. If Disney's the happiest, this is the end anti Disney. But if we were to go into government, you went into the Department of Education or pick the department you've worked with, a lot of them actually.
18:20Jason CalacanisYou can't go in there and Zero based budget. Okay, we get it. But if you could just pair 2, 3, 4, 5% of those organizations, what kind of impact would that have?
18:33Elon MuskYeah, I mean, I think we'd need to do more than that.
18:35Jason CalacanisI think ideally, yeah, compounding every year, 2 or 3% a year. I mean, it would be better than what's happening now.
18:44Elon MuskYeah, Look, I think, you know, if Trump wins, and obviously I suspect there are people with mixed feelings about whether that should happen, but we do have an opportunity to do kind of a once in a lifetime deregulation and reduction in the size of government.
19:07Elon MuskBecause the other thing besides the regulations, America is also going bankrupt extremely quickly. And nobody seems to. Everyone seems to be sort of whistling past the graveyard on this one.
19:18All-In HostBut they're all grabbing the silverware. Everyone's stuff in their pockets, in the silverware, before the Titanic sinks.
19:25Elon MuskWell, you know, the Defense Department budget is a very big budget. Okay. It's a trillion dollars a year. DoD intel, it's a trillion dollars. And interest payments on the national debt just exceeded the Defense Department budget.
19:43Elon MuskThey're over a trillion dollars a year just in interest and rising. We're adding a trillion dollars to the net, to our debt, which our kids and grandkids are going to have to pay somehow every three months.
20:01Elon MuskAnd then soon it's going to be every two months and then every month. And then the only thing we'll be able to Pay is interest. And if this. It's just, you know, it's just like a person at scale that has racked up too much credit card debt.
20:18Elon MuskAnd this. This is not. This does not have a good ending. And so we have to reduce the spending.
20:26All-In HostLet me ask one question, because I've brought this up a lot, and the counterargument I hear, which I disagree with, but the counterargument I hear from a lot of politicians is if we reduce spending.
20:37All-In HostBecause right now, if you add up federal, state, and local government spending, it's between 40 and 50% of GDP. So nearly half of our economy is supported by government spending, and nearly half of people in the United States are dependent, directly or indirectly, on government checks and either through contractors that the government pays or they're employed by government entity.
21:00All-In HostSo if you go in and you take too hard an axe too fast, you will have significant contraction, job loss and recession. What's the balancing act? Elon? Just thinking realistically, because I'm 100% on board with you.
21:14All-In HostThe steps, the next set of steps, however, assume Trump wins and you become the chief Doge.
21:26Jason CalacanisLike, double G. How?
21:29All-In HostLike. Yeah. And I think the challenge is how quickly can we. Yeah. How quickly can we go in? How quickly can things change? And without. Without.
21:40Elon MuskI want that on my business card.
21:41All-In HostYeah.
21:42Elon MuskWithout all the lot.
21:43All-In HostWithout all the contraction and. Yeah. So I guess how do you really address it when so much of the economy and so many people's jobs and livelihoods are dependent on government spending?
21:53Elon MuskWell, I mean, I do think it's sort of, you know, it's a false dichotomy. It's not like no government spending is going to happen. You really have to say, like, is it the right level?
22:07Elon MuskAnd just remember that, you know, any given person, if they are doing things in a less efficient organization versus more efficient organization, their contribution to the economy, their net output of goods and services will reduce.
22:22Elon MuskI mean, you've got a couple of clear examples between East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea. I mean, North Korea, they're starving. South Korea, it's, like, amazing.
22:33All-In HostThe compounding effect of productivity gains. Yeah, yeah.
22:36Elon MuskIt's night and day. And so in the North, North Korea, you've got 100% government, and in South Korea, you've got probably, I don't know, 40% government. It's not zero.
22:45Elon MuskAnd yet you've got a standard of living that is probably 10 times higher in South Korea. At least. At least. Exactly. And then east and West Germany. In West Germany, you Had, just thinking in terms of cars.
22:58Elon MuskI mean, you had BMW, Porsche, Audi,
23:00All-In HostMercedes
23:03Elon Muskand East Germany, which is a random line on a map. The only car you could get was a Trabant, which is basically a lawnmower with a shell on it.
23:13Elon MuskAnd it was extremely unsafe. There was a 20 year wait. So you like, you know, put your kid on the list as soon as they're conceived. And even then, only I think, you know, a quarter of people maybe got, got this lousy car.
23:32Elon MuskAnd so, so that's just an interesting example of like basically the same people, different operating system. And, and it's not like West Germany was some, you know, you know, a capitalist heaven.
23:46Elon MuskIt was, it's quite socialist actually. So, so when you look, you know, probably it was half, half government in West Germany and 100 governed in East Germany. And again, sort of a 5 to, I'd like to call it a call at least a 5-10x standard of living difference and even qualitatively vastly better.
24:06Elon MuskAnd, and it's obviously, you know, sometimes you'll have these. Amazingly in this modern era, this debate as to which system is better. Well, I'll tell you which system is better.
24:14Elon MuskThe one that doesn't need to build the wall to keep people in. Okay. That's, that's how you can tell. Okay. Yeah, it's a dead giveaway.
24:25All-In HostSpoiler alert.
24:25Elon MuskDead giveaway.
24:26Jason CalacanisAre they climbing the wall to get out or come in?
24:29Elon MuskYou have to build a barrier to keep people in. That is the bad system. It wasn't West West Berlin that built the wall. Okay. They were like, you know, anyone who wants to flee West Berlin, go ahead.
24:42Jason CalacanisSpeaking of walls.
24:43Elon MuskSo, you know, and if you look at sort of the flux of boats from Cuba, there's a large number of boats from Cuba and there's a bunch of free boats that anyone can take to, to go back to Cuba.
24:57Jason CalacanisLike, plenty of seats.
24:58Elon MuskThere's like, hey, wow, an abandoned boat. I could use this boat to go to Cuba where they have communism. Awesome.
25:04Jason CalacanisYes.
25:06Elon MuskAnd yet nobody, nobody picks up those boats and does it. Amazing.
25:11Jason CalacanisSo a lot of thought.
25:13All-In HostYeah. Wait, so your point is jobs will be created if we cut government spending in half? Yes, jobs will be created fast enough to make up for. Right, Just the cash.
25:21Elon MuskYes, obviously. You know, I'm not suggesting that people, you know, had like immediately, you know, tossed out with no severance and you know, can't now can't pay their mortgage.
25:31Elon MuskThen you see some reasonable off ramp where. Yeah, yeah, so reasonable off ramp where, you know, they're still, you know, earning, they're still receiving money, but have like, I don't know, a year or two to find jobs in the private sector, which they will find and then they will be in a different operating system again.
25:49Elon MuskYou can see the difference. East Germany was incorporated into West Germany. Living standards in East Germany rose dramatically.
25:57Jason CalacanisWell, so in four years, if you could shrink the side, the size of the government with Trump, what would be a good target? Just in terms of like ballpark?
26:06Elon MuskAre you trying to get me assassinated before this even happens?
26:09Jason CalacanisNo, no. Pick a low number.
26:11Elon MuskI mean, you know, there's that old phrase go postal. I mean it's like they might, yeah, me.
26:16All-In HostSo we'll keep the post office.
26:17Elon MuskI mean, I'm going to need a lot of security details, guys.
26:19All-In HostYes.
26:21Elon MuskI mean the serum number of disgruntled workers, former government employees is, you know, quite a scary number. I mean, I might not make it.
26:30Jason CalacanisYou know, I was saying low, low digits every year for four years would be palatable.
26:35All-In HostYeah.
26:35Jason CalacanisAnd I like your idea of an
26:36Elon Muskopportunity, but the thing is that if it's not done, like if you have a once, once in a lifetime or once in a generation opportunity and you don't take serious action and, and then you have four years to get it done and then, and if it doesn't get done, then how serious is Trump about this?
26:53Jason CalacanisLike you, you've talked to him about it?
26:54Elon MuskYeah, yeah, I think he is very serious about it.
26:57All-In HostGot it.
26:58Elon MuskAnd no, I think actually the reality is that if we get rid of nonsense regulations and shift people from the government sector to the private sector, we will have immense prosperity and I think we will have a golden age in this country and it'll be fantastic.
27:17Elon MuskCan we talk about SpaceX?
27:18Jason CalacanisFantastic.
27:22All-In HostYou have a bunch of critical milestones coming up.
27:24Elon MuskYeah. In fact, there's an important, a very exciting launch that may be happening tonight. So if that the weather is, is holding up, then I'm going to leave here, head to Cape Canaveral for the, the Polaris dawn mission, which is a private mission so funded by Jared, guys, Jared Isaacman and he's awesome guy.
27:45Elon MuskAnd, and there. This will be the first time, the first private, first, first commercial for spacewalk. And it'll be at the highest altitude since Apollo. So it's the furthest from Earth that anyone's gone.
28:05All-In HostAnd what comes after that? Let's assume that's successful.
28:09Elon MuskI sure hope so, man.
28:13Jason CalacanisNo pressure.
28:18Elon MuskYeah, we're, you know, absolutely, you know, astronaut prior, astronaut safety is man, if I Had like all the wishes I could say about. That'll be the one to put on.
28:29Elon MuskSo you know, space is dangerous. So the. The.
28:36All-In HostYeah.
28:37Elon MuskI mean the next milestone after that would be the next flight of Starship which. You know. Starship is next flight. Starship is ready to fly. We are waiting for regulatory approval.
28:53Elon MuskYou know, it really should not be possible to build a giant rocket faster than the paper can move from one desk to another.
29:10Jason CalacanisThat stamp is really hard. Approved.
29:14Elon MuskYeah.
29:17All-In HostYou ever see that movie Zootopia? There's like a sloth.
29:23Elon MuskYeah. Accidentally tell a joke. And I was like oh no, this is.
29:27All-In HostNo, here we go.
29:28Elon MuskIt's gonna take a long time. But yeah. Zootopia. You know. You know the funny thing is like. So I went to the dmv but I don't know. Year later after Zootopia and to get my license renewal and the guy in an exercise of incredible self awareness had the sloth from Zootopia in his cube.
29:51Elon MuskIn his cube. And he was actually swift.
29:54Jason CalacanisYeah. With a mandate. Beat the sloth.
29:58Elon MuskYeah.
29:58All-In HostNo. Personal agency. Personal agency.
30:01Elon MuskNo. I mean sometimes people like think the, you know, the government is more competent than it is. I'm not saying that there aren't competent people in the government. They're just in an operating system that is inefficient.
30:14Elon MuskOnce you move them to a more efficient operating system their output is dramatically greater. As we've seen. You know when East Germany was reintegrated to with West Germany and the same people were vastly more prosperous with a basically half capitalist operating system.
30:34Elon MuskSo. But I mean for a lot of people they're like the maybe most direct experience with the government is the dmv. And then the important thing to remember is that the government is the DMV at scale.
30:52Jason CalacanisRight.
30:52Elon MuskThat's the government got the mental how much do you want to scale it?
30:59Jason CalacanisYeah, yeah.
31:01All-In HostSorry, can you go back to Chamath's question on starship? So you announced just the other day starship going to Mars in two years.
31:08Elon MuskAnd by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:12All-In HostAnd then four years for crude aspirational launch window. And how much is the government involved?
31:19Elon MuskI'm not saying like say you watch by these. Not you know, but these. But it based on our current progress where with starship we were able to successfully reach oval velocity twice.
31:32Elon MuskWe were able to achieve soft landings of the booster and the ship in water. And that's despite the ship having you know, half its flaps cooked off. You can see the video on the X platform.
31:44Elon MuskIt's quite exciting. So you know, we think we'll be able to have to launch reliably and repeatedly and quite quickly. And the fundamental holy grail breakthrough for rocketry for what?
32:01Elon MuskThe fundamental breakthrough that is needed for life to become multi planetary is a rapidly reusable, reliable rocket.
32:09All-In HostRR
32:12Elon Muskwith a pirate. Somehow throw a pirate in there. The so with Starship is the first rocket design where success is one of the possible outcomes with full reusability. So for any given project you have to say this is the circle.
32:33Elon MuskTalk about Venn diagrams. Here's a circle and it is success. The success.in the circle is success in the set of possible outcomes. That you know, sounds pretty obvious, but there are often projects where that, that is success is not in the set of possible outcomes.
32:53Elon MuskAnd so Starship not only is fully full reusability in the set of possible outcomes, it is being proven with each launch. And I'm confident it will succeed. It's simply a matter of time.
33:06Elon MuskAnd you know, if we can get some improvement in the speed of regulation, we could actually move a lot faster. So that would be very helpful. And in fact if something isn't done about reducing regulation and sort of speeding up approvals and to be clear, I'm not talking about anything unsafe, it's simply the processing of the safe thing can be done at a, as fast as the rocket is built, not slower.
33:41Elon MuskThen we could become a spacefaring civilization and a multi planet species and be out there among the stars in the future. And there's,
33:55Elon MuskIt's just very like, it's incredibly important that we have things that, that we find inspiring. That you look to the future and say the future is going to be better than the past.
34:06Elon MuskThings to look forward to. And like, like kids are a good, a good way to assess this. Like what are kids fired up about? And if you could say, you know, you could, you know, you could be an astronaut on Mars.
34:21Elon MuskYou could maybe one day go beyond the solar system. We could make Star Trek Starfleet Academy real. That is an exciting future. That is inspiring. You know, I mean you need things that move your heart, right?
34:43Jason CalacanisFuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Let's do it.
34:47Elon MuskI mean life can't just be about solving one miserable problem after another. There's got to be things that you look forward to as well.
34:55Jason CalacanisYeah. And do you think you might have to move it to a different jurisdiction to move faster?
35:01Elon MuskI've always wondered if like rocket technology is considered an advanced weapons technology. So we can't just go do it,
35:07Jason Calacanisyou know, in Another country. Yes, in it, yeah. Interesting. And if we don't do it, other countries could do it. I mean, they're so far behind us. But theoretically there is a national security, you know, justification here.
35:21Jason CalacanisIf somebody can put their thinking caps on, like do we want to have this technology that you're building the team's working so hard on stolen by other countries and then, you know, maybe they don't have as much red tape.
35:32Elon MuskI wish people were trying to steal
35:33All-In Hostit
35:35Elon Muskso that no one's trying to steal it. It's just too, this is too crazy, basically.
35:45Jason CalacanisAnd that's for you. Yeah, it's way too easy.
35:47All-In HostElon, what do you think is going on that led to Boeing building the Star Line the way that they did? They were able to get it up,
36:00Jason Calacanisbut not complete.
36:01All-In HostBut can't complete.
36:02Jason CalacanisThey can't finish.
36:03All-In HostCan't finish.
36:04Jason CalacanisAnd now understand you're going to have
36:05All-In Hostto go up and finish.
36:11Elon MuskWell, I mean, I think Boeing is a company that is, they actually do so much business with the government. They have sort of impedance match to the government. So they're like basically one notch away from the government.
36:25Elon MuskMaybe they're not far from the government from an efficiency standpoint because they derive so much of the revenue from the government. Now a lot of people think, well, SpaceX is super dependent on the government and actually no, most of our revenue is commercial.
36:38All-In HostSo.
36:43Elon MuskAnd there's been, I think at least up until perhaps recently because they have a new CEO who actually shows up in the factory. And the CEO before that I think had a degree in accounting and never went to the factory and didn't know how airplanes flew.
37:03Elon MuskSo I think if you are in charge of a company that makes airplanes fly and spacecraft go to orbit, then it can't be a total mystery as to how they work.
37:19Elon MuskSo you know, I'm like, sure, if somebody's like running Coke or Pepsi and they're like great at marketing or whatever, that's, that's fine because you know, it's not a sort of technology dependent business, you know, or if they're running a, you know, financial consulting and their degrees in accounting, that makes sense.
37:41Elon MuskBut I think, you know, if you're, if you're the cavalry captain, you should know how to ride a horse.
37:47Jason CalacanisPretty basic. Yeah, yeah,
37:51Elon Muskit's like, it's disconcerting if the cavalry captain just falls off the horse, you know, he's not going to inspire the team.
37:59Jason CalacanisI'm sorry, I'm scared of horses.
38:00Elon MuskGets on backwards. I'm like, oops
38:04All-In Hostshifting gears to AI. Peter was here earlier and he was talking about how so far the only company to really make money off AI is Nvidia with the chips.
38:13All-In HostDo you have a sense yet of where you think the big applications will be from AI? Is it going to be an enabling self driving, Is it going to be enabling robots?
38:23All-In HostIs it transforming industries? I mean it's still, I think early in terms of where the big business impact is going to be. Do you have a sense yet?
38:42Elon MuskI mean, I think, I think the spending on AI probably runs ahead of, I mean it does run ahead of the revenue right now, there's no question about that.
38:54Elon MuskBut the rate of improvement of AI is faster than any technology I've ever seen by far. And it's, I mean like for example, a Turing test used to be a thing.
39:11Elon MuskNow your basic open source random LLM you're writing on a frigging Raspberry PI probably could, you know, beat the Turing test. So there's, I think actually the good future of AI is one of immense prosperity where there is an age of abundance, no shortage of goods and services.
39:43Elon MuskEveryone can have whatever they want unless, except for things we artificially define to be scarce, like some special artwork. But anything that is a manufactured good or provided service will, I think with the advent of AI plus robotics that the cost of goods and services will be, will trend to zero.
40:08Elon MuskI'm not saying it'd be actually zero, but it'll be, everyone will be able to have anything they want. That's, that's the good future. Of course, you know, in my view that's probably 80 likely.
40:21Elon MuskSo look on the bright side. Only 20 probability of annihilation. Nothing
40:29All-In Hostis the 20%. Like what does that look like?
40:32Elon MuskI don't know, man. I mean, frankly, I do have to go engage in some degree of, of deliberate suspension of disbelief with respect to AI in order to sleep well and even then, because I, I, I, I think the actual issue, the, the most likely issue is like, well, how do we find meaning in a world where AI can do everything we can do but better?
40:53Elon MuskThat, that is, that is perhaps the bigger challenge. Although you know, at this point I know more and more people who are retired and they seem to enjoy that life.
41:04Elon MuskSo, but I think that that may be, maybe there'll be some crisis of meaning, like because the computer can do everything you can do but better. So maybe that'll be a challenge.
41:18Elon MuskBut, but really, you know, you need, you need the sort of end effectors, you need the autonomous cars and you need the sort of humanoid robots or general purpose robots.
41:31Elon MuskBut once you have general purpose humanoid robots and autonomous vehicles, you really, you can build anything. And I think that there's no actual limit to the size of the economy.
41:49Elon MuskI mean there's obviously, you know, the mass of Earth, you know, like that will be alone one limit. But you know, the economy is really just the average productivity per person times number of people.
42:02Elon MuskThat's the economy. And if you've, if you've got humanoid robots that can do, you know, where there's no real limit on the number of humanoid robots and, and they, they can operate very intelligently, then then there's no actual limit to the economy.
42:19Elon MuskAnd there's no meaningful limit to the economy.
42:21All-In HostYou guys just turned on Colossus, which is like the largest private compute cluster I guess, of GPUs anywhere.
42:30Elon MuskIt's the, it's the most powerful supercomputer of any kind.
42:35All-In HostWhich sort of speaks to what David said and kind of what Peter said, which is a lot of the kind of economic value. So far, baby AI has entirely gone to Nvidia.
42:45All-In HostBut there are people with alternatives and you're actually one with an alternative. Now you have a very specific case because Dojo is really about images and large images, huge video.
42:55Elon MuskSo yeah, I mean the potential problem is different from the, you know, the sort of LLM problem. The nature of the intelligence actually is actually. And then what matters in the AI is different to the point you just made, which is that in the, in Tesla's case the context length is very long.
43:18Elon MuskSo we've got gigabytes of context context windows. Yeah, yeah, you've got, you know, sort of, I was just bringing it up kind of billions of tokens of context, not the amount of context.
43:28Elon MuskBecause you've got seven, seven cameras. And if you've got several, you know, let's say you've got a minute of several high, high def cameras, then that's gigabytes. So you need to compress.
43:40Elon MuskSo the Tesla problem is you've got to compress a gigantic context into the, the pixels that are, that actually matter and you know, and condense that over a time.
43:54Elon MuskSo you've got, in both the time dimension, the space dimension, you've got to compress the pixels in space and the pixels in time and then have that inference done on a tiny computer, relatively speaking, a small, you know, a few hundred watts, a Tesla designed AI inference computer, which is by the way, still the best.
44:19Elon MuskThere isn't a better thing we could buy from suppliers so the Tesla designed AI inference computer that's in the cars is better than anything we could buy from any supplier.
44:28Elon MuskJust by the way. That's kind of by the way. The Tesla AI Trip team is extremely
44:33All-In Hostgood, you guys in the design. There was a technical paper and there was a deck that somebody on your team from Tesla published and it was stunning to me.
44:41All-In HostYou designed your own transport control, like layer over Ethernet. You're like, ah, Ethernet's not good enough for us. You have this TT COE or something and you're like, oh, we're just going to reinvent Ethernet and like string these chips.
44:52All-In HostIt's pretty incredible stuff that's happening over there.
44:54Elon MuskYeah, no, the team, the Tesla chip design team is extremely, extremely good. So.
45:03All-In HostBut is there a world where for example, other people over time that need you know, some sort of like video use case or image use case? Theoretically, you know, you'd say oh, why not?
45:12All-In HostYou know, I have some extra cycles over here, so we should kind of make you a competitor of Nvidia. It's not intentionally per se, but
45:20Jason Calacanisyeah,
45:21Elon MuskI mean the, you know, there's this training and inference and we do have the, you know, those two projects at Tesla. We've got Dojo, which is the training computer and then you know, our inference chip which is in every, every car.
45:38Elon MuskInference computer. So. And Dojo, we've only had Dojo 1. Dojo 2 is, you know, should be, we should have Dojo 2 in volume towards the end of next year.
45:51Elon MuskAnd, and that, that, that will be, we think sort of comparable to
45:58All-In Hostsort
45:58Elon Muskof a B200 type system, a training system. And you know, so there's, I guess there's some potential for, for that to be used as a service. But like Dojo is just kind of like, I mean, I guess I have like some improved confidence in Dojo, but I think we won't really know how good Dojo is until probably version three.
46:31Elon MuskLike usually takes three major iterations on a technology for it to be, to be excellent. And we'll only have the second major iteration next year, the third iteration. I don't know, maybe late 26 or something like that.
46:48Jason CalacanisHow's the Optimus project going? I remember we talked last and you said this publicly that it's in doing some light testing inside the factory. Yeah, it's actually being useful.
46:59Jason CalacanisWhat's the build of materials and when, you know, for something like that at scale. So when you start making it like you're making the Model 3 now and there's a million of them coming off the factory line.
47:08Jason CalacanisWhat would that they cost? 20, 30, $40,000, you think?
47:12Elon MuskYeah, I mean what, I mean I've discovered really that you know, anything made in sufficient volume will asymptotically approach the cost of its, of its materials. So now there's, there's, I should say there's some things are constrained by the cost of intellectual property and like paying for patents and stuff.
47:33Elon MuskSo a lot of you know what, what's in a chip is like paying, paying royalties and depreciation of the chip. Fab. So, but the actual marginal cost of the chips is very low.
47:46Elon MuskSo. So, so Optimus, it obviously is humanoid robot. It, it is, it weighs much less and it's much smaller than a car. So the, you could expect that in high volume.
48:00Elon MuskAnd I'd say that you also probably need three, three production versions of Optimus. So you need to refine the design three at least three major times. And, and then you need to scale production to sort of the million unit plus per year level.
48:16Elon MuskAnd I think at that point the cost, the, you know, the, the labor materials on Optimus is probably not much more than $10,000.
48:27Jason CalacanisYeah. And that's a decade long journey maybe.
48:29Elon MuskBasically. Think of it like Optimus will cost less than a, a small car.
48:36Jason CalacanisRight.
48:37Elon MuskSo at scale volume, with three major iterations of technology. And so if a small car, you know, costs $25,000, you know, it's probably like $20,000 for an optimist. For a humanoid robot that can be your, your body like a combination of R2, D2 and C3PO, but better.
48:59Elon MuskI mean, you know, that's, that's Honestly, I think people are going to get really attached to, to their humanoid robot because I mean like you look at sort of, you watch Star wars and it's like R2, D2 and C3.
49:08Elon MuskI love those guys, you know, they're awesome and their personality and I mean all R2 could do is just beep at you. Right. Guys couldn't speak English in C3PO to translate the beeps, you know.
49:25Jason CalacanisSo you're in year two of that. If you did two or three years per iteration or something, it's a decade long journey for this to hit some sort of scale.
49:32Elon MuskAnd I, I would say mid major iterations are less than two years. So it's probably on the order of five years.
49:41All-In HostYeah,
49:44Elon Muskmaybe six to get to a million units a year.
49:47Jason CalacanisAnd at that price point everybody can afford one on planet Earth. I mean it's going to be that 1 to 1, 2 to 1. What do you think? Ultimately, if we're sitting here, in 30 years, the number of robots on the planet versus humans.
50:00Elon MuskYeah, I think the number of robots will vastly exceed the number of humans. I mean, you have to say, like, who. Who would not want their robot buddy? Everyone wants a robot buddy.
50:13Elon MuskYou know, this is like, especially if it can, you know. You know, it can take care of your. Take your dog for a walk. It could, you know, mow the lawn, it could watch your kids.
50:26Elon MuskIt could, you know, like, it could teach your kids. It could.
50:30All-In HostWe could also send it to Mars.
50:32Elon MuskYeah, absolutely.
50:32All-In HostSo we could send a lot of robots to Mars to do the work needed to make it a colonized planet for humans.
50:38Elon MuskAnd Mars is already the robot planet. There's like a whole bunch of, you know, robots, like rovers and.
50:42All-In HostOnly robots.
50:43Elon MuskHelicopter. Yes, only robots. So, yeah, no, I think the sort of useful humanoid robot opportunity is the single biggest opportunity ever.
51:01Elon MuskBecause if you assume like that, I mean, the ratio of humanoid robots to humans is going to be at least 2 to 1, maybe 3 to 1, because everybody, everybody will want one.
51:11Elon MuskAnd then there'll be a bunch of robots that you don't see that are making goods and services.
51:15All-In HostAnd you think it's a general. One generalized robot that then learns how to do different tasks or.
51:19Elon MuskYeah, hey, I mean, we are a generalized. Yeah, we're a generalized. We're just made of meat, you know, we're a meatball. Yeah, I mean, I'm operating my meat puppet, you know, so.
51:34Elon MuskYeah, we are actually. And by the way, it turns out, like, as we're designing Optimus, we sort of learn more and more about why humans are shaped the way they're shaped and, you know, and why we have five fingers and why your little finger is smaller than, you know, your index finger, you know, you know, obviously why you have opposable thumbs, but also why, for example, your.
51:59Elon MuskThe muscles, the major muscles that operate your hand are actually in your forearm. And your fingers are primarily operated like the muscles that actuate your fingers are located. The vast majority of your finger strength is actually coming from your forearm.
52:19Elon MuskAnd your fingers are being operated by tendons, little strings that. That's. And so the current version of the Optimus hand has the actuators in the hand and has only 11 degrees of freedom.
52:33Elon MuskSo it can't. It's not. As. Doesn't have all the degrees of freedom of human hand, which has, depending on how you count it, roughly 25 degrees of freedom. And it's also, like, not strong enough in certain ways, because the actuators have to fit in the hand.
52:52Elon MuskSo the next generation Optimus hand, which we have in prototype form, the actuators have moved to the forearm just like a human, and they operate the fingers through cables just like the human hand.
53:05Elon MuskAnd the next Generation hand has 22 degrees of freedom, which we think is enough to do almost anything that a human can do.
53:18All-In HostAnd presumably, I think it was written that X and Tesla may work together and, you know, provide services, but my immediate thought went to, oh, if you just provide a grok to the robot, then the robot has a personality and can process voice and video and images and all of that stuff as we wrap here.
53:37Jason CalacanisYeah, I think, you know, everybody talks about all the projects you're working on, but people don't know. You have a great sense of humor.
53:46Elon MuskThat's not true.
53:47Jason CalacanisOh, you do, you do. People don't see it, but I would say. I know for me, the funniest week of my life, or one of the funniest was when you did SNL and we got.
53:56Elon MuskAnd you.
53:57Jason CalacanisI got to tag along. Maybe you saw it maybe behind the scenes, like some of your funniest recollections of that chaotic, insane week. When we laugh for 12 hours a day.
54:11Jason CalacanisIt was a little terrorizing of the first couple days, but, yeah, I was
54:15Elon Muska bit worried in the beginning there because frankly, nothing was funny.
54:21Jason CalacanisDay one was rough.
54:22Elon MuskRough. Yeah. So, I mean, it's like a rule.
54:28All-In HostBut can't you guys just say it? Just say the stuff that got on the cutting. The funniest skits were the ones that didn't let you do. That's what I'm saying.
54:35Jason CalacanisCan you just. There were a couple of funny ones.
54:37All-In HostYeah. That they didn't let you do. You can say it so that he doesn't get.
54:39Elon MuskI mean, how much time do we have here?
54:41Jason CalacanisWell, we should just give one or two because it was in your mind. Which one do we regret most? Not getting on air?
54:51Elon MuskYou really want to hear that? I mean,
54:55All-In HostI mean, it was a little spicy. It was a little funny.
54:59Elon MuskOkay,
55:02All-In Hosthere we go.
55:03Elon MuskAll right, here we go, guys.
55:07All-In HostAll right.
55:08Elon MuskSo one of the things that I think everyone's been sort of wondering this whole time, is Saturday Night Live actually live? Like live live live? Or do they have like a delay or, like, just in case, you know, there's a wardrobe malfunction or something like that?
55:28Elon MuskIs it like a, you know, truly live, 5 second delay? What's really going on? But there's a. There's A way to test this, right?
55:36Jason CalacanisWe came up with a way.
55:37Elon MuskThere's a way to test it, which is we don't tell them what's going on. I walk on and says, this is the script. I'll throw it on the ground.
55:46Elon MuskWe're going to find out tonight right
55:49Jason Calacanisnow if Saturday Night Live.
55:50Elon MuskSaturday Night Live is actually live. And the way that we're going to do this is I'm going to take my cock out.
56:05All-In HostThis is the greatest thing ever.
56:07Elon MuskAnd if you see my cock, you know it's true. And if you don't, it's been a lie.
56:18Jason CalacanisA lie all these years.
56:20Elon MuskAll these years.
56:21Jason CalacanisNow this is.
56:21Elon MuskWe're going to bust them right now.
56:23All-In HostAnd this.
56:24Jason CalacanisWe're pitching this.
56:25Elon MuskYeah, yeah. So we're pitching this on Zoom. Yeah, we're pitching this on Zoom. On, like, the Monday after, like. Yeah, we're like, kind of hungover for the weekend, and we're, like, pitching us.
56:34Elon MuskAnd it's. It's, you know, Jason's on, and Mike and. Yeah, and Mike, you know, so essentially got like. You know, my friends, I think, are sort of, you know, quite funny.
56:47Elon MuskYou know, Jason's quite funny. I think, like. Like, Jason's the closest thing to Cartman that exists in the real. In real life,
56:56All-In Hostwe have a joke going that he's Butters and I'm Cartman. Yeah.
57:00Elon MuskSo. And then my friend Mike's pretty funny too. So. So we. We come in like. Like, just like, guns blazing. Guns blazing with. With, like, ideas. And we didn't realize, like, actually, you know, that's not how it works.
57:15All-In HostAnd
57:17Elon Muskthat's normally, like, actors and they just get told what to do and, like, oh, right. You mean we can't just, like, do funny things that we thought of?
57:24All-In HostWhat?
57:25Jason CalacanisThey're watching this. And on the zoom, they're a guest at pitch.
57:30All-In HostYeah.
57:30Elon MuskThey're silent, like. So I'm like. And I'm like. And I was like, is this thing working?
57:34All-In HostIs this. Are we muted?
57:36Elon MuskIs our mic on?
57:37Jason CalacanisAnd they're like, we hear you.
57:38All-In HostYeah. And then.
57:39Elon MuskAnd then after a long silence, like Mike's. Mike just says the word crickets.
57:44All-In HostAnd they're not laughing.
57:46Elon MuskThey're not gonna. Not even a chuckle. I'm like, what's going on?
57:49Jason CalacanisElon explains the punchline.
57:50All-In HostYes. Which is. Exactly.
57:52Elon MuskSo there's more to it. Okay. That's just the beginning.
58:00Jason CalacanisSo Elon says, so.
58:01All-In HostSo then I'm. So.
58:02Elon MuskNow I'm like, so. So. So I said, look, I'm. I'm gonna I'm going to reach down
58:11All-In Hostinto my pants.
58:12Elon MuskInto my pants. And I stick my hand in my pants, and I'm going to. And I'm. And I'm going to pull my cock. And I tell this to the audience.
58:17Elon MuskAnd the audience is going to be like, what? And then.
58:24All-In HostAnd then.
58:25Elon MuskAnd then I pull out a baby rooster, you know?
58:31Jason CalacanisYes.
58:31Elon MuskAnd it's like, okay, this is kind of pg, you know, it's like that. Not that bad. It's like, this is my tiny cock. And. It's like, what do you think?
58:47Elon MuskAnd do you think it's a nice cock? I mean, I like it.
58:50All-In HostI'm like.
58:51Jason CalacanisAnd then Kate McKinnon walks out.
58:52Elon MuskYeah, exactly.
58:53Jason CalacanisAnd I'm like, oh, no. But you haven't heard happen. So Kate McKenna comes out.
58:56All-In HostYeah.
58:56Jason CalacanisAnd she says, elon expected you would have a bigger cock.
59:01Elon MuskYeah. I don't mean to disappoint you, Kate, but. Yeah. But I hope you like it. Anyway, Kate's got to come out with her cat. Okay.
59:13Jason CalacanisRight.
59:14Elon MuskSo Kate says, you can see where this is going. And I say, nice. Wow, that's a nice pussy you've got there, Kate. Wow, that's amazing. It looks a little wet.
59:29Elon MuskWas it raining outside?
59:32All-In HostAnd then,
59:35Elon Muskdo you mind if I stroke your pussy? Is that cool? It's like, oh, no, Elon, actually, can I hold your cock? Of course, Kate. You definitely hold my cock.
59:46Elon MuskAnd then, you know, we exchanged, and I think just the audio version of this is pretty good.
59:50Jason CalacanisRight?
59:53Elon MuskAnd, you know, it's just like, wow, I really like stroking your cock. And I was like.
1:00:02All-In HostAnd then Eli says, I'm really enjoying shrugging your.
1:00:06Elon MuskYes, of course. And, yeah. So, you know, they're looking at us
1:00:11All-In Hostlike, oh, my God, what have we done, inviting these lunatics on the program.
1:00:17Jason CalacanisYeah.
1:00:18Elon MuskThey said like, well, it is Mother's Day.
1:00:24All-In HostIt's Mother's Day. We might not want to go with this.
1:00:27Elon MuskA lot of moms in the audience, I'm like, well, that's a good point.
1:00:30Jason CalacanisWell, fair, fair.
1:00:32Elon MuskIt might be a bit uncomfortable for all the moms in the audience. Maybe. I don't know.
1:00:35Jason CalacanisI don't know. Maybe they'll dig it.
1:00:36Elon MuskMaybe they'll like it.
1:00:37Jason CalacanisSo, yeah, that was.
1:00:41All-In HostThat's the. That's the. That's the.
1:00:44Jason CalacanisThat's the cold open that didn't make it. We didn't get that on the air. But we did fight for Doge.
1:00:53Elon MuskYes.
1:00:54Jason CalacanisAnd we got Doge on.
1:00:55Elon MuskI mean, there's a bunch of things that I said that were Just not on the script. Like, they have these, like, cue cards for what you're supposed to say, and I just didn't say it.
1:01:01Elon MuskI just went off. Off the rails.
1:01:02Jason CalacanisYeah. They didn't see that coming.
1:01:05Elon MuskYeah, it's live.
1:01:07Jason CalacanisWell, it's live. And so the Elon wanted to do Doge. This is the other one. He wanted to do Doge on late night. And he says, hey, Jake, Al, can you make sure.
1:01:19Elon MuskOh, yeah, I want to. Yeah, I want to do the Doge father. Like, you sort of redo the. You know, that scene from the. The Godfather. I mean, you kind of need the music to queue things up.
1:01:32Jason CalacanisYou bring me on my daughter's wedding this, and you ask for Doge.
1:01:37All-In HostYeah.
1:01:37Elon MuskYou got Marlon Brandon.
1:01:38Jason CalacanisI give you Bitcoin.
1:01:39All-In HostBut you want.
1:01:40Elon MuskExactly. You really got to set the mood. You have to have a tuxedo and this whole sort of office. You got to, like, talk like Marlon Brown. Do. You come to me on this day of my do wedding and you ask
1:01:58All-In Hostme for your private keys?
1:02:03Elon MuskAre you even a friend? You call me the Deutsche father.
1:02:08All-In HostSo. Buenos serra.
1:02:09Elon MuskBuenos sera.
1:02:11Jason CalacanisNo.
1:02:12Elon MuskSo that's potential.
1:02:14Jason CalacanisThey had great potential. So they come to me, and I'm. I'm talking to Colin and Joe, who's got a great sense of humor, and he's amazing. He loves Elon.
1:02:22Jason CalacanisAnd he's like, we can't do it because of the law and stuff like that.
1:02:25Elon MuskThe law?
1:02:26Jason CalacanisThe law and liability. So I said, it's okay. Elon called Comcast and he put in an offer, and they just accepted it. So it's fine.
1:02:39All-In HostYeah.
1:02:40Jason CalacanisAnd Colin Jones looks at me so good, and he's like, you're serious? I'm like, yep, we own NBC now.
1:02:49Elon MuskYeah.
1:02:51Jason CalacanisAnd he's like, okay, well, that kind of changes things, doesn't it? I'm like, absolutely. Where I go on Doge.
1:02:56All-In HostYeah.
1:02:57Jason CalacanisAnd then he's like, you're fucking with me. And I'm like, fucking with you.
1:03:01Elon MuskOr are we?
1:03:02All-In HostOr are we? It was the greatest week of.
1:03:07Jason CalacanisAnd that, like, is, like, two of 10 stories.
1:03:09Elon MuskYeah, we got it. Yeah.
1:03:10Jason CalacanisWe'll save the other eight.
1:03:12Elon MuskYeah.
1:03:12Jason CalacanisBut it was. And I was just so happy for you to see you have a great week of just joy and fun and letting go because you were launching rockets.
1:03:22Jason CalacanisYou're dealing with so much bullshit in your life to have those moments, to share them and just laugh. It was just so great. More of those moments. I think we gotta.
1:03:31All-In HostWe gotta get you back on snl. Who wants to back on SNL One more time. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, our bestie, Elon Musk.